Talk:Royce Williams

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Brief review[edit]

I did a quick look-over and I share the concern you raised about having too few sources, though it seems like the story will gain a lot more momentum and have more independent reports as they try to push his medal through Congress. The larger issue right now is that the article as it stands mostly a close paraphrase of Kragen 2022. That's an issue that can often happen when you want to take a lot of content from one source in an accurate way, and do not have enough supporting sources to generalize the phrasing in your own words. To mitigate this, at least until more sources come about, you can focus on the content that is reported both in Kragen and the Times that you can then put in more general wording. To expand from there, I would suggest looking at adding one attributable fact at a time, rather than the newspaper's particular phrasing (which is important for the newspaper to convey tone, but it is also something that cannot be directly attributed in a citation so we can't really use it except with direct quotation). If you do want to take a direct quotation from Kragen, I don't think any of the quotes from Williams himself are particularly great for an encyclopedia article (news-features are a completely different style of writing); the only part that could be encyclopedic as a quotation in my opinion is where Lewandowski talks about the duration of the dogfight and that it's "beyond imagining".

One important source in the meantime for supplementary content is Seidov's book, if you can find a copy or translation. I imagine that dogfight is only one page at most, but that can be quite a lot if it's something interesting to quote from. SamuelRiv (talk) 04:19, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments and edits, SamuelRiv. I did find one more article in a source that I consider reliable: Task and Purpose. I will rework the article to include their information, particularly about the battle itself, and I will cite them as an additional source. -- MelanieN (talk) 17:11, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I also found a book with some good quotes, and added that. I think it probably has enough factual references now. But I'd still like to see the standard things like infobox and medals added. -- MelanieN (talk) 00:09, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think I will change the article title to Royce Williams. His full name is given as E. Royce Williams, Jr., but sources mostly use just Royce Williams. -- MelanieN (talk) 23:08, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 01:35, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Moved to mainspace by MelanieN (talk). Self-nominated at 18:03, 20 July 2022 (UTC).[reply]

General eligibility:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Both main and ALT1 check out. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 08:39, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for the review, Hawkeye. But a QPQ was done. Noted above, right under ALT1: Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Michael Phillips (historian)
I made the same mistake recently when I did a review. I think they have put the QPQ report in a position where it is easy to overlook. -- MelanieN (talk) 20:03, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies. Good to go. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:26, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]