Talk:Roxton, Quebec

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The correct term to use is "Roxton Canton". That *exact* name is used on an official map, and an official logo.

http://www.mrcacton.qc.ca/Municipalites.htm - Used on official map
http://www.mrcacton.qc.ca/Roxton_Canton.htm - Used on official logo
http://www.cooptel.qc.ca/~roxton/ read the official French names

Further, it is common in wikipedia, that when a number of communities have similiar/conficting names, to qualify the name. One option would be "Roxton (canton)", but obviously "Roxton Canton" makes more sense. If somebody were to speak of going to Roxton, it wouldn't be obvious that it's Roxton Falls or Roxton Canton (given that Roxton Canton is a rural area, with little there to go to). Sometimes one might use the term "Roxton" to actually refer to both places simulataneously (as in the whole area), especially given the fact both have their administration located in Roxton Falls, and do a number of things jointly. The only way to avoid confusion, is to say "Roxton Canton". --rob 05:59, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re-categorization[edit]

I noticed that, like other Quebec cantons, this article was taken out of the "Communities in Quebec" category and put into the category "Cantons of Quebec" (a sub-category of the former). I understand the reason for the added category, but don't understand the reason for deleting the former group. Many people don't know what a canton is (outside of the Switzerland), and many more, don't know which community is a canton. Hence, they're unlikely to click on the "Cantons of Quebec" sub-category. I assume a comparable reorganization is done with other types of communities in Quebec, and I'm wandering why that is. I thought one of the great benefits of "Categories" is that you can place an article into every appropriate category, and it will be properly updated automatically (unlike lists).

Anyhow, maybe this is part of a larger re-organization, that makes sense if seen as a whole. If there is/was a discussion of this elsewhere, please let me know, so I can read it. --rob 03:09, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Roxton Township changes[edit]

I undid changes that refer to "Roxton Township". This change had been done as part of a mucher larger "translation" of "Canton" into "Township" throughout Quebec articles. I think that's a mistake. The word "Canton" is easily spoken in English, and the word "township" could simply occur in brackets, if needed. Maps show "Roxton Canton", not "Roxton Township" (to my knowledge). Also, it's one thing to refer to "township" as a descriptor, but it shouldn't be made as part of the name of a community. We don't refer to Swiss "states" or "provinces", even though that's a reasonable translation. --rob 22:52, 19 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Even though I disagree with the change, I kept the "Townships of Quebec" category, so all the cantons/townships will appear in the same category. --rob 23:49, 19 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Is it called "Roxton Canton" or "Le Canton de Roxton"? If it's "Roxton Canton" then it should be left as is. If it's "Le Canton de Roxton" then it should probably refered to as "Roxton". - Farquard 00:30, 20 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I have not changed the article's name (recently), so it's still plain old "Roxton". Please refer to the official logo in the article page, and the map on the MRC's map. Then there is the MRC page. All show "Roxton Canton". In more formal contexts it might be refered to as "La Municipalité du Canton de Roxton" or just "Canton de Roxton"[1]. It should be called "Roxton Canton" *both* to be official, and to be clear. In any event, the word "township" is definately not a part of the name, which is the basis for my changes today. --rob 01:23, 20 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

update: Just to be clear, I'm only debating the content of the article (including the name shown in bold), and I'm not resuming the old debate about the article's name at this time. --rob 01:27, 20 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. I changed the intro slightly to try to make it clear that "Roxton Canton" is the common name, not the official name. - Farquard 01:42, 20 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No that's not ok. The word "Township" is not apart of the official name. The MRC is divided into 8 municipalities, most of which are similiar to "townships" in the US (but aren't cantons). Will you edit all of those articles to put in the word "township", and edit the MRC article which lists "Cantons" and "parishes" amongst the types of municipalities? You can not just invent an official name. It's one thing to refer to something as a township, but saying it's apart of the official name, is literally false. --rob 01:46, 20 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Cantons are not just similar to townships, "canton" is a French word that means "township", at least in the context of Quebec. Nevertheless, I suppose it's true that the only offical name is "Le Canton de Roxton" since it is not an officially bilingual municipality; just like the only offical name of Quebec City is "Le Ville de Québec". I've changed the intro to reflect this. - Farquard 02:01, 20 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]