Talk:Roman Catholic Diocese of Fréjus-Toulon

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Plague of 1482[edit]

The following statement is made in the article: "The sojourn in 1482 of St. Francis of Paola at Bormes and at Fréjus, where he caused the cessation of the plague, made a lasting impression." The statement is unreferenced. What was the nature of the plague? The word was used to cover a wide range of infectious illnesses (typhus, typhoid, cholera, bubonic plague, pneumonic plague, etc.). One needs to know. Some plagues are curable, individually and epidemiologically. Did Francis of Paola claim to have stopped the plague? What were his techniques? In the absence of references, the sentence has to be regarded as POV-Catholic, and one is entitled to reject such statements about miracle-working plague curers. RSVP. --Vicedomino (talk) 07:52, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum: In his biography by Giuseppe M. Perrimezzi (1764). La Vita di san Francesco di Paola, fondatore dell ́ordine de ́Minimi (in Italian). Venezia-Milano: G. Mazzucchelli. p. 168. it is stated that Francesco did it just by making the sign of the cross over the city. No witnesses are cited. But the city never had the plague again (so they claim). And they built a monastery for his Minims while he was still alive. In the POV of some, that's good enough proof for an Encyclopedia. After all, the whole article is lifted from the Catholic Encyclopedia. --Vicedomino (talk) 08:04, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

See also Evelyn M. Jones, in: Joseph Jacobs; Alfred Trübner Nutt; Arthur Robinson Wright (1901). Folk Lore. Vol. Volume 12. Folklore Society. pp. 313–314. {{cite book}}: |volume= has extra text (help), where it is claimed that the incident didn't happen at Frejus at all, but at Bormio, where he did even more improbable wonders. --Vicedomino (talk) 08:23, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Saints honored in Fréjus[edit]

I have POV issues with the following paragraph:

The Island of Lérins, well known as the site of the celebrated monastery founded there in 410, was sold in 1859 by the bishop of Fréjus to an English purchaser. A number of the saints of Lérins are especially honoured in the diocese. Among them are Sts. Honoratus, Caesarius, Hilary, and Virgilius, all of whom became archbishop of Arles; Quinidius, Bishop of Vaison; Valerius, Bishop of Nice; Maximus, Bishop of Riez; Veranus and Lambertus, both Bishop of Vence; Vincent of Lérins, author of the Commonitorium, and his brother Lupus, Bishop of Troyes; Agricola, Bishop of Avignon; Aigulphus and Porcarius, martyrs; St. Tropesius,[7] martyr during the persecution of Emperor Nero; St. Louis of Toulouse (1274–1297), a native of Brignoles, in the Diocese of Toulon, and later Archbishop of Toulouse; and the virgin St. Roseline, prioress of the monastery of La Celle-Roubaud, who died in 1329, and whose shrine, situated at Les Arcs near Draguignan, has been for six centuries a place of pilgrimage, are likewise especially honoured in the diocese.

Most of these saints are not saints of the diocese of Fréjus. The paragraph is not properly sourced or referenced. I remind editors that Wikipedia does not accept another encyclopedia as a source. The paragraph contains peacock language, celebrated monastery, especially honoured (twice). As to honoring these saints, Canon Law requires that every church be dedicated in honor of God, the Trinity, or a saint or saints; these saints are just locals whose names were used. In short, the paragraph adds nothing to the history of the diocese. Either the paragraph needs to be cleaned and properly sourced, demonstrating the 'especially honoured', or it should be deleted. --Vicedomino (talk) 00:58, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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