Talk:Robert Kegan

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Untitled[edit]

I removed the {{noncompliant}} tag. I think it needs some explaination. How does the person who applied the tag feel the article is noncompliant? I also removed the following statement:

The Computer Science Department of the College of Engineering of the Pontifical Catholic University of Chile has honored Dr. Kegan by naming one of its most powerful servers after him (although it is unclear whether the name Kegan refers to this Dr. Kegan or another).

Seriously, how can we say "it is unclear whether the name Kegan refers to this Dr. Kegan or another"?? Anyway no ref, so I snipped it. At least we should find out if this is the right professor before making this statement. --DanielCD 01:50, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Include other key ideas from works[edit]

It would be nice to see here

  • a summary table from In Over Our Heads of the different orders of consciousness
  • the basic column scheme from Immunity to Change

Simon Grant (talk) 09:41, 21 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I would also like to expound upon some of Kegan's ideas in the article. I am going to add a little more detail about what Kegan means by subject and object and a citation to the section on his first book. SadieKHS (talk) 04:52, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Expansion of "An Everyone Culture" section[edit]

I'm considering expanding the section on Kegan's book "An Everyone Culture". The current entry is pretty brief and superficial. Any oppositions or advice on this?

Seems like some details about the DDO's in the book could be useful. Also, may include the use of Kegan's developmental model in the "An Everyone Culture" and how it relates to the DDO's and their business models. Jamesna1 (talk) 19:42, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jamesna1: That sounds like a good plan. Biogeographist (talk) 00:51, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to suggest the creation of a wiki article covering what deliberately developmental organizations are and add the link to this section. Cwobrock (talk) 02:56, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Cwobrock: "I would like to suggest the creation of a wiki article" is a little ambiguous. Are you saying that you are going to write the article? Biogeographist (talk) 03:30, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Introduction modification[edit]

I feel like it would be a good idea to include a brief statement or summary about Kegan's stage theory somewhere within the opening paragraph of the article. Seeing how it is such a huge part of the article and what he teaches, it would probably be a good idea to reference it in the beginning -{{Blheureux (talk) 23:33, 29 September 2020 (UTC)}} — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blheureux (talk • contribs) 23:22, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Blheureux: The introduction (also called the lead section: see MOS:LEAD) should summarize the article, so it would be helpful to add a second paragraph to the lead section giving an overview of the rest of the article. That would be relatively easy to do, because (per MOS:LEAD) you don't have to cite sources in the lead section when you are summarizing what has already been said in the article body with cited sources.
Keep in mind that (to quote from the article) "as Kegan said, his primary interest is the ontogeny of these balances, not just their taxonomy". Kegan's "evolutionary balances" or "orders of consciousness" are not as important as his neo-Piagetian explanation of the process of development. The balances/orders just illustrate the developmental process. Biogeographist (talk) 00:51, 30 September 2020 (UTC) and 15:20, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't help but notice that the very first source referenced in the introduction was a blog post, should that be replaced with a more credible source? Also, would it be possible to include a picture of Kegan? Pheonix.ember (talk) 00:02, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Pheonix.ember: I added the source to which you referred, shortly after Kegan retired. It was the best source I could find at the time that reported Kegan's retirement. The author of it is Jennifer Garvey Berger, who has written at least a couple of books on applied adult development and has a doctorate from Harvard where she studied with Kegan, so the source is fairly reliable but you are welcome to look for a better source.
It is possible to include a picture of Kegan (to see how it is done, take a look at a couple of the biographies listed in Wikipedia:Featured articles), but pictures of people who are still alive, such as Kegan, must be properly licensed with a public copyright license that is compatible with the WP:CC BY-SA license that Wikipedia uses. Biogeographist (talk) 00:56, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I saw what you guys have been saying about adding a picture of Robert Kegan and I think it would also be a good idea to add pictures of his books, since most of the article focuses on that. SadieKHS (talk) 06:40, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Biogeographist: Just wanted to give a thank you for your response! I am fairly new to Wikipedia page editing, and appreciate your clarification and teaching moment. I feel comfortable with your resource and think it is appropriate! Also, I didn't know about the different laws with licensing, etc. when it came to photos of living persons. Any recommendations for how to proceed? Pheonix.ember (talk) 04:04, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Pheonix.ember: It's possible to search for WP:CC BY-SA–licensed images at https://commons.wikimedia.org or at https://search.creativecommons.org (after selecting both "Use commercially" and "Modify or adapt" in the search options), but I just searched at both sites now and didn't find any photos of Kegan. See also WP:DONATEIMAGE. Biogeographist (talk) 20:43, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I feel it would be helpful to add what Robert Kegan consults and some of his works outside of his books. Also, adding more information on education and early career if available would be appreciated.Kyannsierra (talk) 23:59, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dead link (fixed)[edit]

I clicked on one of the links in the listed references, but it took me to an error page. It was the PDF "A participating inquiry paradigm" by John Heron. Is there another link for this source that could be used? TCtheisen (talk) 02:05, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@TCtheisen: I fixed the dead URL by adding a WP:WEBARCHIVE URL. Thanks, Biogeographist (talk) 14:15, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

An Everyone Culture[edit]

I just added information about "edge" "groove" and "home" under the section, An Everyone Culture. It's a little long, not sure if it needs to be shortened or provides more depth than is necessary from the book. Any thoughts? Halio45 (talk) 22:50, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for expanding this section. I reverted your edit because it's too wordy, and has a few other problems noted below. It should be condensed. Most of the ideas in it are not difficult ideas that need a lot of explanation. Instead of a list of bullet points with descriptions for edge, groove, and home, why not just one paragraph for each? Or if you really want to write a lot about this book, and if the book meets Wikipedia's notability guideline for books, you could start a new article about the book.
A few other pointers:
  • Don't use boldface or underlining (see MOS:BADEMPHASIS).
  • If something is a direct quotation from the book, put quotation marks around it; this is probably true of all the phrases you underlined, but they lack quotation marks (WP:QUOTE) and shouldn't be underlined as mentioned previously.
  • Most claims should have an inline citation to a particular page number in the book or other source, for verifiability (WP:V).
  • This article uses shortened footnotes instead of standard footnotes, but you don't need to worry about this since I can convert any standard footnotes that you use to shortened ones.
  • "Kegan" only has one "e", not two.
I encourage you to try again, addressing these issues as much as possible. Thanks, Biogeographist (talk) 12:24, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Otto Scharmer/Kegan 2000 interview[edit]

I have a link to the transcript for this interview which is cited in the text. I plan on adding the link in so people can read the whole interview if so desired. Cwren3 (talk) 21:41, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Cwren3: Thanks! I moved the link into the cited reference, since external links are not allowed in the article body in Wikipedia per the WP:EL guideline. Biogeographist (talk) 03:04, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I am hoping to add additional information about the immunity to change map, I will not word it like a step by step manual but rather a description. Srh2023 (talk) 19:42, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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