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A fact from Rio de Flag appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 1 April 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that there has been a bottomless pit in East Flagstaff, Arizona, for more than 100 years?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2021/April. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Rio de Flag.

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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Philroc (talk) 14:49, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that there has been a Bottomless Pit in east Flagstaff for over 100 years?~~ Source: [1]

Reviewed: Cypress Creek Middle High School

Created by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 18:06, 13 April 2020 (UTC).[reply]

I don't think this is DYK eligible. Per F8, " A 'new' article is no more than seven days old. This does not include articles split from older articles, although an article sufficiently expanded from a section of an older article can be a fivefold expansion." b uidhe 22:31, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The section on the river didn't exist in the article it was split from for more than a few days before the split, upon realizing it was better as a standalone. You'd have to be going entirely against the spirit of the rule to not allow this. Kingsif (talk) 03:56, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

OK, after checking the page history I can see that you are right. In future, it's best to clarify what's going on in a comment if there have been splits or page content is moved around.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing: - Friends of the Rio de Flag seems to be a minor nonprofit organization that has not demonstrated "reputation for fact-checking and accuracy" as required by WP:RS.
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Recommend linking only "Bottomless Pit", the capitalization makes it clear that this refers to a specific place. b uidhe 04:09, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review - I'll make a note next time if I nominate something with a more complicated history again. Re. Friends of the Rio de Flag, they have their own sources and references page on the website (and are based in Flagstaff and the Museum of Northern Arizona). So, all of their information will be from these published sources or observational, which I think is reliable. Maybe we can examine this further? Kingsif (talk) 15:43, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Buidhe, Kingsif, this seems to have stalled. Is there anything needed to get it going again? Thanks. (PS: the rule about new material being split off into its own article is at WP:DYKSG#A5.) BlueMoonset (talk) 13:34, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I ran this article and the version of Flagstaff, Arizona it was split off from in Duplication detector. Even after subtracting the parts that were split off, the new material written would still amount to more than the 1,500 character minimum required of newly created articles. As for the reliability of Friends of the Rio de Flag, they're a community group that was invited to attend a City Council meeting and awarded a grant from the EPA. So, in this case, I would err on the side of accepting the info in their sources as reliable and fact-checked. Looks good to go! —Bloom6132 (talk) 04:30, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I came by to promote this, but I do not understand why East Flagstaff is part of the piped link, or why the river is being referred to as the bottomless pit (and why capitalized?) Yoninah (talk) 18:58, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, @Yoninah: - it was mentioned above that the piped link should probably only be on the Bottomless Pit part, which just wasn't tweaked. Part of the river includes a feature known as the Bottomless Pit (capitalized). If the hook isn't clear, is there any suggestion you have to reword it? Kingsif (talk) 19:11, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Kingsif: well, it does seem like an Easter Egg. I'm wondering if you want to nominate it for April Fools Day? This is how I would write it:
ALT0a: ... that there has been a bottomless pit in East Flagstaff, Arizona, for more than 100 years? Yoninah (talk) 19:17, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I don't mind. I'm not sure it's funny enough for AFD? Kingsif (talk) 19:21, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So perhaps you could suggest a different hook? Yoninah (talk) 19:22, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Approving ALT0a for April Fools Day next year. @Kingsif: feel free to propose other hooks which I'll be more than happy to take a look at. —Bloom6132 (talk) 22:26, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If it's for April Fools Day, "bottomless pit" should be lowercase. And Kingsif, it doesn't have to be funny, just deceptive. The reader clicks on it expecting to see a bottomless pit and instead sees a river—"April Fools!" Yoninah (talk) 00:50, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm cool with that - I've never had an AFD hook before. I'll ask at the WikiCup talk page if it counts, but thanks :) Kingsif (talk) 01:34, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]