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Miscallaneous section

Miscallaneous sections on Wikipedia are considered very bad form. All imformation within this section should be dispersed to apropriate places within the article. --The_stuart 18:32, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Kadyrov is known for keeping a pet lion cub, given to him as a gift after the birth of his first son, as well as a tiger and a number of a fighting dogs; also used to own a wolf and a bear.
  • He has stated that red haired Chechens are the bravest fighters (Chechens are known for their high percentage of red haired people and so red hair is feared by local Russian and other non-Chechen inhabitants of the region). Abu Musab al-Suri 13:09, 16 June 2007 (UTC)


  • In 2005 Ramzan declared there will be "the world's largest mosque" built in the place of the demolished ruins of the Grozny's downtown. He also announced that Chechnya is the "most peaceful place in Russia" and in few years it will be also "the wealthiest and the most peaceful" place in the world; he also claimed the war is "already over" with only 150 "bandits" remaining (contradicting the official figures of 700 to 2,000 active duty rebel fighters). According to Kadyrov, thanks to his father 7,000 separatists defected to the Russian side since 1999, and the main rebel activity is now outside the borders Chechnya.
  • When his first son was born in November 2005, the region enjoyed a public holiday, marked by all-night salutes of machinegun fire that left civilians cowering in their basements.

Naming

I have google searched for both names (with full name in quotations): Ramsan Kadyrov returned only 219 pages, while Ramzan Kadyrov returns a hefty 49,400 pages. Based on this, I propose to change the name. MarkBeer 03:14, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


Agreed. This isn't even debatable. There's no reason to have the 's' in his name. This is a major embarassment to the encylclopedia's credibility within the Chechen diaspora community.

Well I have moved the article to Ramzan Kadyrov because everyone seems to use that spelling and we should try to get these things correct --Wikipediatastic 17:49, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

pre-1999

Anyone knows any facts before he had switched sides? Or was he completely unknown back then?

Presidential campaign

[1] if someone feels ready to update.

NPOV?

I know this man is not exactly a kind gentleman with a heart of gold, to say the very least. However, having almost 50% of the article for his alleged atrocities, without considering the other side of the story, seems a little bit too much. Maybe we need more NPOV here.Tnapoleao 09:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Not necessarily. Right now, this wikipedia article doesn't BEGIN to describe all that Kadyrov has done to Chechnya.

I'm no fan of this fella, but this article (and the talk page) is riddled with unsubstantiated sources. franz fanon Sep 22 07 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.112.78.156 (talk) 16:00, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree here, there should be notices of what he is credited for too. 77.250.171.134 (talk) 22:48, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

This article definitely needs some oversight. People feel quite strongly about Chechnya, needless to say. However, his human rights abuses are widely attested by Time, Newsweek, the BBC, etc. -Cpapadelis April 31 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.22.152.239 (talk) 18:37, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok, to finish this off, NPOV means giving the facts (all of them) and letting the reader decide. Kadyrov is known to have committed atrocities (and, as the commenter above me says, that is acknowledged by all major news sources save for a few russian propaganda papers which acknowledge that they are controlled by the Kremlin), so this must stay in. If you want to add (with non-propaganda sources of course) th "other side", which I assume is what he accomplished with his atrocities, then go right ahead. Just remember that for some people (i.e. Hitler, Pol Pot; not that I'm comparing him to those extreme examples), there is no other side. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.165.56.59 (talk) 01:39, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


Kadyrov did bring at least some normal peaceful life for ordinary chechens, something none of the previous leaders since 1990 was able to do. Chechnya was in a constant war from 1991 till at least 2003. The atrocities brought around by the war alone were incomparable to the current human right abuses. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.153.182.18 (talk) 14:11, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for participating. Please register a Wikipedia account for extended work in Wikipedia. ellol (talk) 14:15, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Let me see the logics in your actions. Certainly, the sources which refer to a video tape, that was watched by some journalist, who made some claims about it, are fishy. (Why not to make that video recording publicly available then, if there's any real evidence?) The sources like "Kadyrov is rumoured to have a personal prison" are equally unacceptable -- they indicate the lack of any evidence whatsoever; they are much more misleading than informative. Equally the sources which expose brutality of Kadyrov men do not prove anything -- sources which expose equal brutality of the opposing force can be also cited; it's the war, brutal as it is.
Yet, problems in Chechnya exist and it would be helpful to provide some reasonable information about that. ellol (talk) 14:39, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Definitely NPOV.

Ramzan Kadyrov is a hero of the Chechen people and knows that only peace can come from co-operation and mutual friendship with Russia. Kadyrov is an advocate of peace and a great man who has fought against islamic extremism so that Chechnya can be a free and prosperous autonomous nation-state inside Russia.

Such NPOV in the article and use of irrelevant images should be ceased immediately, as they are most likely edited by pro-Islamofasicst, pro-Al Qaeda Terrorist maniacs who want to enslave Chechnya under the banner of Sharia law that enslaves the Chechen people, whether they be Muslim or Otherwise.

Chechnya is finally at peace and its people are free, due to the killing of Basayev and the rise of Kadyrov as our leader. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 211.27.243.73 (talk) 07:10, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

Hello there! No, I don't need a Ramzan t-shirt --HanzoHattori 21:06, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Pro-Kremlin/Human Rights Abuses

Is there anyone who actually disagrees that Kadyrov's administration is pro-Kremlin? Or that he may very well be responsible for human rights abuses? Samian 19:23, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

First of all, Kadyrov's administration is pro-Chechen.
There's a relatively recent article about him in Russia's Nezavisimaya Gazeta, check it out [2]. ellol (talk) 17:16, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
of COURSE no one disagrees that this idiot is pro-russian. And OF COURSE he commits human rights abuses. He is a monster, a terrorist against the rights of women. Honor killings, violence against women... and then the men are taught to BLAME the women when MEN commit atrocities... it's the demented and disgusting results of islamic terrorism leeching into the Chechen government, and this disgusting president is responsible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.22.15.239 (talk) 07:59, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Date

The intro says that Ramzan has been President of Chechnya since 2 March 2007. However, he was appointed acting president on 15 February and was sworn in for a regular term on 5 April. 2 March is only significant as the date he was elected, which seems to be irrelevant if we're talking about the date he took office. It seems to me the intro should say either 15 February or 5 April. Everyking 12:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

trivia

I'd propose to change this into a section about his highly extravagant lifestyle.

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An interesting comparison

It's interesting to compare this article to the articles of anti-Moscow Chechens. The latter ones provide a detailed biography and usually don't mention any accusations of war crimes and terrorism in the lead. Even in text the accusations are mentioned only in passing, and are immediately countered by defending arguments. This article, in contrast, has a very weak biography section, and concentrates almost entirely on accusations of war crimes, etc. I wonder where this curious difference comes from? :) Offliner (talk) 09:58, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Good links removed from this article

The following links have been removed by Offliner:

Why remove? All of them belong to good (helpful) links, not "links to avoid". WP instructions do not prescribe deletions of all links.Biophys (talk) 04:35, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Human rights abuses list

Do we really need such a huge list of every incident that someone claims may be linked to Kadyrov, or just "forces loyal to Kadyrov" (which is a different thing). I think a general statement such as "he has been criticised for human rights abuses", and then one or two cases as examples would be enough. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. We don't list every single case of someone expressing criticism of Bush in the Bush article either. Offliner (talk) 05:23, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, we do need everything which is sourced, relevant and informative for the sake of NPOV.Biophys (talk) 02:02, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
No, we do not need everything which is sourced. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. You need to explain why each of these items is justified and necessary. This is not List of criticisms against Ramzan Kadyrov. Offliner (talk) 19:54, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
While I don't think very highly of Kadyrov, I have to agree with Offliner in a broad sense, insofar as I can see that this article in its current is highly POV. The point is to present an NPOV article, which is all the more important as we are dealing with a WP:BLP. In one section the article tries to present Kadyrov's opinion that Kasparov should be put away as a threat, doing this by linking it to an interview statement in which he says that he already killed those who should have been killed. In the original interview, Kadyrov was asked about the terrorists who killed his father during the Chechen War, and he replied that those responsible for the assassination during the war were already killed. What the article does here is weave this into some sort of threat of Kadyrov terrorism. Unfortunately, biased sourcing like this is all over the article. Laying blame against Kadyrov personally for every instance of abuse on Chechnya's territory, and especially those committed through ill discipline, is libellous. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate list of materials or current events. PasswordUsername (talk) 21:27, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree, and attempting to blame Kadyrov for all of these events when the sources themselves do not is a violation of WP:BLP. The two examples that I removed are self-explanatory in that Kadyrov himself had nothing to do with the events. Two examples that I haven't removed yet are the assassinations of Sulim Yamadayev and Umar Israilov. Adding these to Kadyrov's list of alleged human rights abuses is certainly in violation of a number of policies since no one has provided any evidence of Kadyrov's involvement. It seems that certain people just want to list the deaths of anyone who ever knew Kadyrov and pin the blame on him with no evidence at all, using him as a scapegoat. Again, clear and serious violations of WP:BLP. Kadyrov is no saint, the truth already paints a clear picture of him. But when we start exaggerating things and pinning every single bad event on him, it takes credibility away from the actual truth and makes him look like a victim of defamation (which, personally, is exactly how I took Orlov's accusations. At least show us some evidence if you're going to call him out). LokiiT (talk) 19:26, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
I tried to expand the bullet points for Yamadayev and Israilov, but I've come to realize that at this point, there's absolutely no hard evidence that Kadyrov had anything to do with these assassinations. However, they remain accusations of collusion at this point, and I think it's something worth mentioning, possibly under a new section titled "Alleged role in political kidnappings". There's a lot of news coming out of the Western press right now on the slew of mysterious murders of Kadyrov's opponents. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 14:05, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

This article is a mess

This article is a complete mess regarding NPOV. It's mostly a collection of quotes about accusations of human rights violations. For example, first we have the chapter "Militia leader", which consists 95% of quotes of human rights violations. But then we hear those accusations again in the "accusations of..." sector. Hardly anywhere is there a mention of his accomplishments, such as having brought peace and stability to Chechnya, although this is what has made a very real impact on the lives of ordinary Chechens.

"Eating ice cream and laughing with her friends at an outdoor cafe next to a brand-new fountain in one of the city's central squares, Asya Tashtamirova says venturing outside after dusk used to be mortally dangerous. Now, she says, life is better than it's ever been."[3]

As a biography, this article is a complete joke. It's just a bunch of random news items and quotes of criticism, probably inserted in order to discredit the man. Maybe I (or someone) will rewrite this thing. The main point is, that although criticism naturally has its place, it should not make up over 80% of the article like it does now. Instead of focusing on third-party opinions about him, we should focus on just neutrally describing the man's biography. Offliner (talk) 08:38, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

  • This is mostly propaganda. In fact he wasted hundreds of millions of Russian government money to build a "Potemkin village in Chechnya, not mentioning an army of assassins who kill people even in Quatar and Europe, including a Hero of Russia Sulim Yamadayev and his own bodyguard Umar Israilov. I am not even talking about several journalists who were killed after his threats. May be that should be described in more detail. Biophys (talk) 14:19, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Potemkin village? So where's the real Grozny then? Did they move the million or so citizens to underground caves or something? looks like a real city to me (and note those pictures are already 2 years old). Perhaps you should look at your own sources before calling things propaganda. Jamestown Foundation could teach the Russian government a thing or two about effective propaganda. They got you fooled after all, and you're an educated guy are you not? LokiiT (talk) 01:03, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Citation of Kadyrov

I believe the citation of Kadyrov belongs to this article. This is a very notable statement by him, a statement of his political attitude and will and of his personal commitment to Putin. English translation was taken from a publication by Jamestown Foundation (now deadlink, but Russian original is there). If you feel this is cited out of context, please provide appropriate context. I do not think he means at all murderers of his father (BTW - who they are?), but if you can support this by sources, please do.Biophys (talk) 00:55, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Since there was no objections, I moved this quotation to a different place.Biophys (talk) 01:45, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
There already were objections. I'd think that somebody who's complained about BLP so loudly before would wait a little longer than 55 minutes before reverting.
Here's the issue: the interview you quoted was out of context. It was published by a political newspaper known for its particular POV. Not surprisingly, the Grani source omitted the journalists questions' and used ellipsis instead of showing Kadyrov's full remarks.
Here is a fuller source: [4]. As you can see, Kadyrov was asked about his father's killers during the Chechen War. In response, he replied that he killed those who should have been killed. (Presumably, during the Chechen anti-terror operations. And he says that any other terrorists will continue to be killed.) Completely outside of such context, you instead place this alongside other unrelated remarks, prefaced by "Kadyrov is widely known as a ruthless warlord and a strong supporter of Vladimir Putin. He said about himself..." – in a section called "Personal views". This is not appropriate treatment for a notable person's Wikipedia article. PasswordUsername (talk) 04:47, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
OK, he said this in connection with assassination of his father. That can be noted. As about introductory phrase, it certainly can be changed. No problem here.Biophys (talk) 02:41, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Allegations of human rights violations

There's a whole long section in this article with such title. Yet, much information there is based on evidence provided by a single person. But there are normal civilized mechanisms to deal with such accusations, like, the court rulings. Therefore, I propose to remove accusations but the ones which were a) brought into the courts of Russia or the European Union, or b) spoken of by the major recognized world's human rights organizations. Otherwise, that section would be just a junk box for anti-Kadyrov complaints, which would not allow to distinguish between real or fake accusations. ellol (talk) 13:16, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

We must simply follow WP:RS and WP:NPOV policies. If notable allegations have been described in multiple sources (especially by international human rights organizations or well known journalists), they should be included. If they were brought to courts should be noticed but is not required per our policies.Biophys (talk) 18:19, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Biophys, you are a well-educated person, and I am sure that you understand the difference between AND and OR (I used the latter). ellol (talk) 18:28, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Then why did remove information that refer to multiple reliable sources, including New York Times and many others [5]? Biophys (talk) 14:55, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
I propose to view only cases which were viewed in a respectable court, or cases which were viewed by leading international human rights organizations. Cases of Israilov and Estemirova do not fall under any of these categories. ellol (talk) 15:08, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Once again (I just said this), the consideration of cases by courts is not anything required per WP policies. The notability depends on the wide coverage in press and other sources, and the both cases were widely internationally covered, including publications in New York Times and many other similar sources.Biophys (talk) 15:43, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
OK, I made a compromise/more neutral version with pro and contra in Human rights section. Everything seems to be well sourced. If something is not, please mark it as "unsourced" to allow some time for verification. Thank you.Biophys (talk) 18:54, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Which "pro and contra"? Which compromise? What the hell are you talking about, Biophys? Please, explain. Regards, ellol (talk) 19:47, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Please stop making misleading edit summaries. As clear from the diff [6], this information was included. What pro and contra? That's the progress with human rights and the problems, as clear from the same diff.Biophys (talk) 20:23, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Ah. Yes, indeed, I was wrong. Yet, I am not sure that economic improvement lies within the topic of human rights. It's just different things. Economic improvement is like what much do you make, and human rights are like what much secure and free are you. ellol (talk) 20:30, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Religion

The source [7] says: In Chechnya we are observing the politicization of the Kunta Hajji current of the Qadiri order of Sufi Islam (followers of the mid-19th century preacher Kunta-Hajji Kishiev), a representative of which is Ramzan Kadyrov. There is nothing there about him being a representative of Sunni Islam. I am ignorant here, can a Sufi Muslim be a Sunny Muslim at the same time? Regarding the population of the Chechen Republic, AFAIK some versions of Sunni are tolerated while others like Wahhabi are persecuted. I think we should either provide references of Kadyrov being Sunni the same time as Sufi or drop mentioning of Sunni Islam as his religion all together. Alex Bakharev (talk) 06:55, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Personal life/Children

It is clearly stated in URL: 27 of the Article (though in Russian9 that he has seven Children. Why is that removed? It is the Official Homepage stating that fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.132.170.123 (talk) 11:22, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Needs to be totally rewritten

And for the obvious reasons: it's directionless, unorganized, badly-written.

This biographical article should be actually biographical, that is about the life of Ramzan K.

Something like that:

Early life
Not much.
Dirty war
An increasing role in the "Kadyrovtsy" and the "Chechenization".
Rise to power
Dad's dead and Putin decides to be backing Ramzan, the Kadyrovsty now his own private army, emassing an enormous personal wealth, taking control over the official power structures, systematic elimination of political rivals, supression of nationalist movement, Alkhanov comedy.
Kadyrovstan
Totalitarian power, cult of personality, reconstruction of Grozny, policy of "Islamization", attempts to take over parts or all of Ingushetia, high-profile (foreign clebrities) vanity projects, political killings now outside even Russia.

It's not all apsects, but should give you idea.

That's instead of sections "Bill to ban energy drinks in Chechnya" (WHO CARES), and "Boston bombing suspects" (really?). --Niemti (talk) 11:40, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

That sounds reasonable. Since you know these subjects, you can just go ahead and make the changes. But be prepare to politely discuss, not revert if others disagree. My very best wishes (talk) 13:39, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
P.S. I am sure you know that he has/had death squads in Europe, not only in Russia... There are publications about this. My very best wishes (talk) 20:21, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Several assassins were actually sentenced by the court in Austria (one of them was using a German name of Kaltenbrunner,[8] how fitting), while Ramzan's "brother" Adam Delimkhanov (AD, or "HELL" in Russian) was put on the Interpol wanted list for wasting Colonel Yamadayev with a golden gun in Dubai. --Niemti (talk) 20:43, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
This is not just Kadyrov. This is FSB [9]. My very best wishes (talk) 01:45, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Btw, there's this widespread meme according to which Ramzan was a "rebel" in the 1990s. Wikipedia sez "Ramzan, from the age of 16, leading a small unit of separatist fighters in the First Chechen War". Reality: the teenage Ramzan drove a car for his dad (and Delimkhanov was a driver for Raduyev). Maybe I'll rewrite it myself, for now I'll just change it and remove some obvious trivia and just silly stuff. --Niemti (talk) 20:53, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Btw, Thomas de Waal once compared him to Uday Hussein, the psychopathic son of Saddam:[10] --Niemti (talk) 21:39, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Most probably I will be around and can watch changes here. Do not wary if someone removes your changes on talk page. I can see diffs. But it is a good idea to support your words by a link or a ref if you tell something important. My very best wishes (talk) 01:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
I'm worried that Niemti seems to have a very strong point of view on Kadyrov, and that his contributions will inevitably reflect this. Please remember the core wikipedia policy WP:NPOV. All sides must be represented equally. Please keep in mind that rumours and hearsay (which can be considered libel without proper referencing) is not encyclopedic nor professional; this isn't a forum to express and propagate our personal views. LokiiT (talk) 21:38, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
Indeed, I would advise Niemti not edit this article. Big Brother is watching. My very best wishes (talk) 01:58, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Worry not, I know to avoid such POV like

Yes, I know. Using proper wording per WP:Common name (rebels, etc.) was always one of your strengths. Saying that, Amy Knight (first link) is definitely a reliable academic source. My very best wishes (talk) 14:44, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I really feel his reaction to the Boston bombing is relevant. The bombings brought the whole issue of Chechnya to the fore on an international stage. His reaction to the incident goes to his attitudes toward terrorism which ethnic Chechen (fairly or not) have been associated with in the past (Beslan, Moscow theater) and are now being reinforced by the fact that the bombers in this internationally reported terrorist attack are Chechen. As the President of the current Chechen govt. he is a spokesman for the Chechen people (fairly or not) and his views on this subject of how and why these two "radicalized" and how - in his view - it does not represent the people of Chechnya is important.--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 21:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree that the bombing brought again the whole issue of Chechnya to the fore on an international stage, and we must improve all content accordingly (as suggested by Niemti above). I must tell that Niemti is probably the most knowlegeable contributor on Chechen subjects in the whole project, however, he might not be willing to contribute here after your revert... P.S. There is no way that Kadyrov can be viewed as a spokesman for all Chechen people. My very best wishes (talk) 17:17, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
P.S. I am not sure you realize who Kadyrov is. He has a private army even in Moscow (several hundred fighters, mostly from special forces) that operates beyond any law. They kill people, have private prisons and torture chambers, and police always let them go whatever they do [11]; he is currently included in Magnitsky list [12]. My very best wishes (talk) 01:37, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
It's "Chechen police" (formerly known as "Chechen bandits"). Tarhan bears an uncanny resemblance to this charming gentleman. Anyway, I just don't think just another of Kaydorov's verbal attacks on America is really worthy of mentioning here, much less to give it a separate section. --Niemti (talk) 06:27, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
I definitely agree. This should be removed per WP:Recentism. If there was a reliably sourced information that he is involved in the bombing, that would belong to the article. But there is no such information so far. My very best wishes (talk)
Hero Academician Kadyrov said a lot of wacky stuff about America, and nobody cared. For example (and it's just a sample): "We are fighting in the mountains with the American and English special services. (...) We will not give our territory to the Americans". It's just some more, there's really nothing here to see here and no reason to suddenly care. --Niemti (talk) 09:47, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Meanwhile in Ramzanland: [13] ("The muscle-bound leader of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, boasted yesterday that he had challenged a minister to a sparring session to punish him for errors, posting photographs of their punch-up on his Instagram page. Yesterday Russia’s NTV aired footage of Kadyrov in the ring with the minister, Salambek Ismailov, who appeared to pull his punches, while Kadyrov aimed blows at his face and groin. In the gym watching the sparring was Russian Minister of Labour and Social Protection Maxim Topilin, who was shown smiling broadly on television.") But no, he's not "a former rebel leader in Chechnya", but this meme has become a media "fact" (actually it's not even what Ramzan himself boasts of, instead he only says he was "with the people" in the war, actually he was with his dad). --Niemti (talk) 10:03, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

The minister was allowed to wear a helmet, Kadyrov said, “because he has go to work the next day”.. So, he does care about the business. If I remember correctly, his boss in Moscow killed a student during dzudo training. My very best wishes (talk) 19:22, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
The west could learn a thing or two from Kadyrov! LokiiT (talk) 21:55, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Sure. Do not give entry visas to these guys. My very best wishes (talk) 02:29, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

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The article does not reflect many facts in and after 2015. For instance, his view that West's main target in Syria is Assad rather than Daesh ([14]) is not included in it. Hope that other Wikipedians utilize RT, RBTH, Sputnik, Grozny-Inform and The Moscow Times to expand and update the article. Thanks!--RekishiEJ (talk) 11:03, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Why would you go to any of those sources for facts? They don't exactly do a good job presenting any. 24.22.31.98 (talk) 11:42, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
The main news is this, I suppose: Chechen ruler Ramzan Kadyrov unexpectedly says it’s time for him to leave office. --Vayvor (talk) 13:49, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

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Update and copy-edit tags; many stub-length sections. A great deal of proseline towards the end. --Fsotrain09 22:03, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Last edited at 22:03, 3 March 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 03:54, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

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Why is this fact buried? It's his defining characteristic and the rallying cry of Chechnyian separatists. Please stop whitewashing pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.102.106.131 (talk) 20:56, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

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Awards

@MarkBeer, Wikipediatastic, Tnapoleao, SNAAAAKE!!, Everyking, and Sourcecheck:president.gov.by/ru/news_ru/view/glava-chechenskoj-respubliki-rossijskoj-federatsii-ramzan-kadyrov-nagrazhden-ordenom-druzhby-narodov-19310/ The President of Belarus awarded the Order of Friendship of Peoples

"Sheepfucker", and other opinions about Kadyrov among the people of Russia.

Оn the Internet among the Russian-speaking population are mocking Kadyrov. However, most of the Russian population is afraid of Kadyrov, since he believes in his involvement in many killings on the territory of Chechnya and far beyond its borders. Also Kadyrov is often ridiculed, portraying as an illiterate person with a craving for sexual violence over animals (sheep).31.23.88.13 (talk) 20:19, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Putin&Kadyrov trauma

the meetings in Moscow give the impression that Putin is afraid. (indeed there seems to be this deep dark terror, the basis of which is easy to grasp- the trauma, Kadyrov is thought to be popular because of the perception of him practicing taqiyya). 80%+ of Chechnya budget is gifted by Moscow. Yet Chechen traditions totally trump Russian law, while Kadyrov openly says kill any Russian policeman entering "his" territory, etc. Yet Putin does nothing. i.e. this is a policy of extraordinary appeasament, which to be sure, seems to have been quite successful. 84.253.217.84 (talk) 07:36, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Proposed move of Kadyrovtsy to Kadyrovites

I have started a move discussion regarding the move of the Kadyrovtsy article to the English-language equivalent of the term, Kadyrovites. If editors are interested, they may join the discussion. —AFreshStart (talk) 12:16, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request

Category:Russian fascists should be removed, there are no RS stating that Kadyrov is a fascist, this is original research and POV. -- 2804:248:f6ae:e300:3d54:44d0:27cb:5661 (talk) 23:42, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done Category was not supported by article text. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:46, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Neutrality

"Kadyrov rules the Chechen Republic through despotism and repression."
Couldn't we change this line into some like "Kadyrov has been accused of ruling the Chechen Republic through despotism and repression."? --Paninigenie (talk) 11:46, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

I agree the wording is not neutral but it's possible there is a consensus in the sources about this (I don't know if this is the case but a few of the cited sources seem to say this). Fiwec81618 (talk) 03:23, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Broken link to Invasion of Ukraine

in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramzan_Kadyrov#Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine , edit to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:E7:1F04:B900:8C60:65D5:4356:BFB0 (talk) 11:17, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

I think 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine was the article intended, and I have changed the link to that. Endwise (talk) 11:20, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request

In the COVID-19 section, it may be worth adding that Kadyrov has been very supportive of the COVID-19 vaccination campaign and warned that the vaccine hesitant will have a harder time accessing public services:

https://www.rferl.org/a/chechnya-threatens-tough-measures-for-those-refusing-covid-19-vaccination/31338115.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.100.143.210 (talk) 08:15, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

indefinite and long break

While it's true he said something on his Telegram channel, this is very far from actually doing it. Political figures often say things not true. They tell lies for many reasons. And Kadyrov has a history of lying about his desire to step down. For example to signal to Putin that he wants something or-else. It's wishful thinking to read too much into this Telegram post, at this point. -- GreenC 17:48, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

You are probably right. The sentence can be moved down into the body of the article. IntrepidContributor (talk) 06:13, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Wealth

"The Russian Federation funnels money to the Kadyrov family." I cannot find that stated in the cited reference. 14.2.202.136 (talk) 10:36, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

"The family gets money through the Akhmad Kadyrov Fund, a non-transparent foundation headed by Kadyrov’s mother, Ayman." The cited reference also states that this money is provided by donations from businessmen and private citizens. The article needs to be balanced, and not read like some "60 Minutes" expose. 14.2.202.136 (talk) 10:39, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 October 2022

In the opening paragraph and elsewhere

  • Change lieutenant general to colonel general

following his promotion by President Putin on Wednesday 5th October. OSDefence (talk) 15:25, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:00, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 February 2023

In the last sentence of the subsection "Threats to citizens insulting someone's honor", Kadyrov's name is misspelled as "Kadryov". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.238.146.75 (talk) 23:22, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Done. Johncdraper (talk) 08:29, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Editorializing in the summary

I don't think that criticism needs to be removed from the summary, but half of the summary is dedicated exclusively to criticism, not all of which is strictly unopinionated. The amount of editorializing in the article seems to have exploded since the invasion of Ukraine. The article for Mohammed Bin Salman is a good example of a summary that can emphasize criticism without clearly revealing the politics of the writer. "Kadyrov rules the Chechen Republic through despotism and repression" and the entire final paragraph of the summary ("Kadyrov has adopted a macho image...") should probably be removed. Cnkso (talk) 06:17, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Agree 159.196.171.108 (talk) 21:16, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2023

Remove "He is known to have sex with goats and men." Jack8168 (talk) 04:35, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Ya. Or cite a source. 69.92.172.98 (talk) 04:54, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
 Done Cannolis (talk) 05:19, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
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