Talk:Provanhall

Possible hoax

Can not locate this place. Location given(http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=55.871833,-4.131168&spn=0.025,0.025&t=h&q=55.871833,-4.131168) grocer store on a road that doesn't use 'provanhall' in the address. Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 12:22, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

The Google Map hit suggests that it's on an approach road to the Glasgow Fort shopping centre. I've been there several times and never seen this name used, so it must be a bit obscure, but it definitely isn't a hoax - it's been used by a number of local sources for a long period of time ([1], [2] and [3] are examples), so it definitely exists in some form. Precisely what the name refers to I can't say... Alzarian16 (talk) 17:13, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Maybe a hoax is a bit strong. Something like the creation of a term that has no real meaning, but is informally used to refer to an area by locals? Like the reference to 'Provanhall' on 'Conisborough Road' above, if you check the addresses on 'Conisborough Road' you find that none of them use the word 'Provanhall' (See for example the address on http://www.glasgowonline.co.uk/street/Conisborough_Road/). The definitely exists in some form is correct; - it's Provan Hall. Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 17:41, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

A quick scan of these Google Books search results shows that this is certainly no hoax, and that, before it was swallowed up by the massive Easterhouse estate, Provenhall was a separate community with a colliery and some interesting geology. I would also note that User:Blairtummock, who has been disruptively blanking this article and trying to remove Provenhall from List of places in Glasgow, shares a name with a nearby place, so it looks like there is some local rivalry involved. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:38, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

But likewise you are involved in reverting that information without any citations to support your view. The link you provide to google books, doesn't show anything that is in the location added to the document and the complete absence of any real information suggests the thing is not a real place. For example the Provanhall Primary School, is not in 'provanhall'. The address of the school is "Provanhall Primary School, 32 Balcurvie Road, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, G34 9QL.", again no mention of provanhall being a district. Indeed, an absence of information that you would anticipate would be available. Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 22:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Did you actually look through the Google Books results? Many of them identify Provenhall as a place, including the one that I linked above and [4], [5] and [6]. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:12, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I did. Neeither of those links give a 'district' and most likely both(three links but only two as two are the same) refer to Provan Hall. Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 22:20, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

If you prefer to keep feeding the troll rather than take a proper look at the evidence then I'll leave you to it. This is the third source that I meant to link above. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:32, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Firstly that is covered by WP:NPA. Secondly, I have spent at least three hours looking for sources for this article and drawn a blank. Posting insignificant text which simply uses the word 'Provanhall' without context to give understanding it as useful as making an article called "Whatever" and sourcing it to http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=whatever#q=whatever&tbm=bks. Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 22:53, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Finally found a reference to establish context for the article. Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 23:21, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi SunCreator - I have emailed scotgaz@geo.ed.ac.uk to ask them to revise that article as it gives a very false impression and is inaccurate. Scotgaz articles are as easy to create as WIKI ones and so cannot be called primary sources.contribs) 10:40, 24 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blairtummock (talk • contribs)

Phil Bridger. I do not live in Blairtummock, one only uses that as a user name. You have jumped to assumptions that there is some sort of local rivalry. Nothing is further from the truth. Provan Hall - not the spelling as you keep spelling it provenhall with an 'e' is a medieval country house in what is now the very eastern most reaches of Glasgow. The various landed gentry estates (Barlanark, Provan Hall, Balirtummock, Bishopswood and farms) of the area were bought by Glasgow by compulsory purchase after the war to build houses for the working class living in slum conditions in Glasgow. The estate or scheme of Easterhouse was built - named after a village, itself named after a farm. Some neighbourhoods of Easterhouse - made by housing associations took on some of the old estate and farm names in recent times. Provan Hall is one of these. There is a school called Provanhall primary but the nearby St Benedicts is not in an area called St Benedicts. Provan Hall is not 'part' of Provan Hall housing estate - it is in the middle of Auchenlea park, now partially taken up by Glasgow Fort.

Whilst there may be some limited interest in having a Provan hall page, I think it should be part of the Easterhouse district.

You also need to remove 'provanhall' from the district of Glasgow page - as a neighbourhood of a district cannot also be a district of the larger entity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blairtummock (talk • contribs) 10:40, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

It's quite possible to have a location referred to with many different district names. At least it is in England. I've reverted your claim of calling it a neighbourhood, it's unsourced. The only source at the moment says it's a district. Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 19:09, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

No problem, found the Provanhall Housing association website (http://www.scottishhousingconnections.org/shcc/association.aspx?assoc=30) which clearly states "We are based in the Provanhall area of greater Easterhouse in the East end of Glasgow." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blairtummock (talk • contribs) 22:10, 26 June 2011 (UTC)