Talk:Princess Alice of Battenberg/Archive 1

Archive 1

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1. Well-written: Pass
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This article appears to meet all the criteria for a good article, so I'm passing it. Bookworm857158367 15:15, 7 February 2007

Bombardment of Athens

In the first paragraph of the "Successive life crises" section there is an offhand reference to the "French bombardment of Athens on 1 December 1916." Having never heard of this before I poked around a bit and couldn't find any more info at 1 December, 1916, history of athens, athens, greece, or History of Greece, nor through WWI or any of the obvious sub pages linked from there. I did find a brief discussion of this at History of modern Greece#WWI and linked to that. --john.james (talk) 03:34, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Schizophrenia?

The article says she was "diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia" but that she recovered and led a productive life thereafter. I didn't think you could do that in those days; did she really recover, or did she really have schizophrenia in the first place? Moonraker12 (talk) 08:29, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Princess Andrew?

Did Princess Alice really gain the title Princess Andrew?

I saw that edit by some anonymous editor and thought to change it, but searched back to 2007 edits where this had not been changed.

Don't know enough about the topic, so I will leave the edit to someone else, just wanted to point it out!

st_moose (talk) 21:23, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes. She got it in virtue of being married to Prince Andrew, in the same way that the present-day Princess Michael of Kent gets her title from her husband. 137.222.162.226 (talk) 11:28, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

I wondered about this; it says "Thereafter, Alice was known by English-speakers as 'Princess Andrew'..." which was news to me (being an English speaker, and English, to boot). I know Pr. Michael uses that form, but I also thought she was the exception. Moonraker12 (talk) 16:04, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Religious Devotion

In the documentary film The Queen's Mother in Law (2012), directed by Rob Coldstream, a woman in Cologne who, as a little girl, knew Princess Alice in the 1930s (her mother ran a modest boarding house at which the Princess lived for a while) is interviewed. Said woman recalls how avidly yet peacefully the Princess would stare at the sky, while sitting at the pension's sun roof. She once asked the Princess what was she looking at, what did she see in the sky. Princess Alice calmly responded: "die heilige Barbara"—St Barbara.

A touching reference to a saint who had, like Princess Alice, been kept a prisoner against her will.

Not much sympathy nor understanding have been shown for Princess Alice's unusual—and unusually deep—religious faith and obvious mystical nature.

208.87.248.162 (talk) 18:44, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

she was confirmed in the Protestant faith

Which Protestant faith? Church of England? Be specific. Most Protestant faiths don't have any confirmation. jnestorius^(talk) 11:43, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

In British legal terms, the "Protestant Faith" means the terms and formularies of the Established Church, i.e., the Church of England, to which all persons in line to the throne must belong. Other "protestants", popularly so-called, are titled Dissenters at law.

Curiously, the word "Protestant" is nowhere found in the Book of Common Prayer.

208.87.248.162 (talk) 17:55, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

She was married in the Lutheran faith (and had another ceremony in the Orthodox faith). She most likely was confirmed in the Anglican faith, living in England and being a member of the British Royal Family. Both Anglican and Lutheran faiths have the Sacrament of Confirmation. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 19:11, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Infobox change

Since I don't want to engage in an edit war, I decided that this matter should be discussed properly on the talk page. User:Willthacheerleader18 insists on having Philip listed as "Prince" Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, arguing that he's a prince and should be listed as such. The point is that his sisters were also princesses. I guess having the noble title included in the infobox is enough. As a reminder, he is currently listed as Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, on the infobox of his wife's page, and Elizabeth has been listed as Elizabeth II on his page. Does that mean that Elizabeth is not a queen or Philip is not a prince? If no other objections arises within a few days, I'll have him listed as Philip, Duke of Edinburgh. Keivan.f^Talk 00:24, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

It's ridiculous seeing as his article is Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh. Not to mention he is commonly known by this name (or just Prince Philip) and not 'Philip, Duke of Edinburgh', which would suggest he is a non-royal duke and not a British prince. Such a switch is unnecessary. We do not list his sons or grandsons as such. Regarding his sisters, they are listed by the titles they received through marriage and held until their deaths. Philip is still alive and is "Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh" not "Philip, Duke of Edinburgh" (he was only titled this prior to being made a Prince of the United Kingdom). If anything other than this, I would list them under their birth titles in which case he would be Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 00:31, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

So are you suggesting that because his article is at "Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh" he must necessarily be listed as such everywhere? Sorry, I can't find any rule like that here on Wikipedia, and actually Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking#Redirects does not discourage using redirects in the body of an article. Your argument that he is commonly known as Prince Philip could also be challenged. He's well known as the Duke of Edinburgh as well; that's his official title and many organizations founded by him carry that name such as The Duke of Edinburgh's Award. By the way, his two eldest children are listed as Charles, Prince of Wales, and Anne, Princess Royal, on his page rather than Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, and Princess Anne, Princess Royal. And since you mentioned his sisters and their titles, it is also important to remember that Philip also received the title of Duke of Edinburgh by marriage, but he has been a prince since his birth (whether Greek/Danish or British) as were his sisters and remained so until their deaths. There's no harm in listing them in a proper and clear format which can be applied to all of them. And you brought up the idea of listing them by their birth titles. For the royals, we list them by the highest noble title they have ever held during their life. Keivan.f^Talk 00:41, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Philip was not a prince his whole life. He was a prince by birth but renounced his Greek and Danish titles prior to his marriage to Princess Elizabeth of York, thus no longer a prince. Upon his marriage he was created HRH The Duke of Edinburgh. His wife later bestowed the title of Prince of the United Kingdom, making him Prince Philip, The Duke of Edinburgh. As for Charles and Anne it would be redundant to list "prince" and "princess" twice in that way.. with Philip it would not be redundant. Just as his other children are Prince Andrew, Duke of York and Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex and his grandsons are Prince William, Duke of Cambridge and Prince Harry (Henry), Duke of Sussex. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 01:25, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

I withdraw it for now. I have checked the articles of Queen Victoria and numerous other monarchs. Considering the number of articles that we have on Wikipedia, it is basically impossible to have all of the royals' children listed in a very strict format similar to one another. This discuasion needs to take place in an appropriate time in the talk page of WikiProject: Royalty and Nobility. Keivan.f^Talk 00:56, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

I withdrew the request, but it doesn't mean that I agree with you. And I know very well that he renounced his Greek titles to marry Elizabeth. On the other hand, there's no such rule that he must necessarily be listed as "Prince X". "Prince of Wales" and "Princess Royal" are both royal titles, just like "Duke of York" and "Earl of Wessex". As such, nothing happens if Andrew and Edward get listed as "Andrew, Duke of York" and "Edward, Earl of Wessex". What in fact surprises me, is your insistence on including the title "Prince" in the infobox, as if no one knows these people are princes/princesses! Keivan.f^Talk 03:28, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Duke of York and Earl of Wessex are actually not royal titles, they are titles of peerage that have been granted to royal persons (while Prince of Wales and Princess Royal are not titles of peerage but are royal titles). There's a difference. What, in fact, surprises me is your insistence on listing someone incorrectly in an infobox. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 04:08, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Requested edit via OTRS

I am an OTRS volunteer. A family representative of the subject initiated OTRS ticket 2018092910003269, explaining that "fell in love with" is incorrect because an imperial princess would have married for political reasons. I have no access to the cited source so I cannot verify what it says; however, while she may indeed have fallen in love, this is a speculative detail that doesn't detract from the quality of the article if omitted. Therefore I have removed the phrase (diff [1]). ~Anachronist (talk) 17:32, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Well, the source does say that and I'm skeptical that Prince Philip has written to us about his mother. She's not an imperial princess either. She was a minor German noble of a morganatic family with a serious disability. Not a great catch in the marriage stakes for the son of a monarch. DrKay (talk) 17:37, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Rereading the ticket, it appears to be from a descendant of Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaevna of Russia who pointed out perceived errors in multiple different articles about royals. The "imperial" phrase may have applied to a different article, and I confused it to apply to this one. In any case, it does seem like an unnecessary speculative detail that does no harm by its absence. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:56, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Olga Nikolaevna of Russia had no descendants. DrKay (talk) 20:02, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps not a direct descendant, but there are likely descendant relatives according to DNA tests (at least that was the evidence offered in the OTRS communication). However, the relationship of the OTRS contact with any article subject isn't relevant. The point is, I agreed that there is no benefit to this article in saying the subject "fell in love". It just sounds speculative without any actual documentation from the subject herself or anyone close to her. I am interested to know what the cited source actually says. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:30, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

What does it mean to "enter" the church?

In the "Illness" section, there is an unsourced statement: "She became deeply religious, and on 20 October 1928 entered the Greek Orthodox Church." Is "entered" a technical term? If yes, what does it mean? As the article describes her, she had already been religious up to this point so it would be helpful to have a better explanation of what this means - if she belonged to a different church before and changed affiliations, or this is some kind of formal membership or??? I am looking for a source but would appreciate some help since I am not at all familiar with this religion. 70.67.193.176 (talk) 16:20, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

I would presume it would mean she wsa received into the Eastern Orthodox Church, as in she converted from Protestantism. She was baptized protestant (no clarification as to which Rite) and was confirmed in the Anglican faith and married in the Lutheran rite. She became Eastern Orthodox, later starting her own religious order. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 16:24, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Such quick responses - thank you @DrKay: @Martinevans123: @Willthacheerleader18: for your clarifications, research, and the fix. 70.67.193.176 (talk) 19:48, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Yes, with the trusty Doc you get quality. With me, I'm afraid, you just get quick and dirty. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:06, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Hospitalisations

Section #4 Illness has "The diagnosis was confirmed at Dr Ernst Simmel's sanatorium at Tegel", "placed in Dr Ludwig Binswanger's sanatorium in Kreuzlingen" and "remained at Kreuzlingen for two years, but after a brief stay at a clinic in Meran was released". It would be useful to include the dates she was in each institution. Mcljlm (talk) 18:18, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

It seems that the answers lie in the cited source,Vickers, Hugo (2000), Alice, Princess Andrew of Greece, London: Hamish Hamilton, ISBN 0-241-13686-5

The material you seek may be too detailed for an encyclopedia, but feel free to satisfy your curiosity.--Quisqualis (talk) 21:11, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Implications?

DrKay, you removed my additions to the lede that stated Princess Alice was a relation to the British Royal Family and A German princess by birth, she was a member of the Battenberg family, a morganatic branch of the House of Hesse-Darmstadt. You stated in your edit summary that my edit "implies an association to Prussia and the UK which is closer than justified". How? She was indeed a German princess, a member of the Battenberg family, and a relation to the British Royal Family. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 00:43, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Is this a private conversation or can anyone join in? She was related to almost every royal family in Europe. The opening line seems quite Anglocentric to me as if every royal in the world should be defined by their relationship to the Queen. However, the opening line should define her in much the same way as she is defined in the citations. The five accessible ones define her as:

1. 'Greek Orthodox nun and mother-in-law of Elizabeth II'[2]
2. 'mother of the Duke of Edinburgh'[3]
3. 'mother of the Duke of Edinburgh, she organised shelters for orphans and sheltered three Jewish women when Greece was occupied'[4]
4. 'was born in Windsor Castle in 1885, as Princess Victoria Alice Elizabeth Julia Marie. Her parents were Prince Louis of Battenberg and Princess Victoria of Hesse, granddaughter of Queen Victoria. The Princess was related to most European royal families.'[5]
5. 'Wife of Prince Andrew of Greece and Denmark; mother of Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh'[6]

And there are two newspaper obituaries that are titled 'Princess Andrew, Mother of the Duke of Edinburgh' (citation #35) and Princess Andrew of Greece, 84, Mother of Prince Philip' (citation #46). Therefore, 5 of the 7 define her as mother of the Duke of Edinburgh, so that's the first thing that should be said of her and how she should be placed in context in the opening line. None of them define her as a German princess, so that's something that shouldn't (possibly even couldn't) be included in the article, let alone the opening. Celia Homeford (talk) 08:20, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes, this is open for anyone. Thank you for your input! "Princess Alice of Battenberg" is a German princely title, and therefore she is a German princess. "German" in this sense does not equate to "Prussian". Would it be better to call her a Hessian Princess? I would hope that in the lede's opening sentence she can be defined for more than just her relationship to her son and daughter-in-law. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 11:51, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

She was also a British aristocrat, a member of the Mountbatten family, and a relation to the Greek, Danish, Russian, Spanish and Swedish royal families, among many others. "German princess" is misleading because it can be misread as a princess of the "German" royal family. DrKay (talk) 16:19, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Princess Alice was a British aristocrat, but not by birth, and she was technically never part of the Mountbatten Family, only the predecessor (Battenberg). She had no standing in the official order of precedence in the United Kingdom until her adult life. While she was a descendant of British royalty, as the granddaughter of Princess Alice of the United Kingdom, she did not have any British titles, and noble status is not passed through the female bloodline. She was born in England possessing a German princely title in the Grand Duchy of Hesse and by Rhine. Her father and mother were both of German princely rank and held no British titles at the time she was born. When her parents renounced their German princely titles and Anglicized their last name in 1917, she had already been married to Prince Andrew of Greece and Denmark for over ten years. She technically did not become a British aristocrat (as the daughter of a marquess) until that time, when she was already a Greek and Danish royal. She never renounced her German titles nor changed her name. She was born Her Serene Highness Princess Alice of Battenberg and became, by marriage, Her Royal Highness Princess Andrew of Greece and Denmark. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 17:25, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

I wrote the article. I know what it says. Repeating it back to me is just irritating. DrKay (talk) 17:29, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Ownership much? This article, as any, is a collaboration. I am clarifying that at her birth she was not a British aristocrat, as there seemed to be some confusion from what I have taken from our above conversation Nothing I have said above is taken directly from the article, I am stating common knowledge. No need for rudeness.-- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 17:30, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm just pointing out that your long post is unhelpful and leads nowhere. I've not been rude. Nor have I acted like an owner: that would be you: edit-warring to insert a new addition against consensus. I've only reverted the once, after which you should not have reinstated your edit, but you did so anyway, twice. DrKay (talk) 17:33, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

My long post is to point out that she was not technically a British aristocrat nor a member of the Mountbatten family, like you said above. Rather, she was a princess in Hesse, Germany. Reverting an edit is not an edit war, last time I checked. I did not "repeatedly override other's contributions" to make a point. I also did not reinstate my edit, rather I updated. You will see I have left relation to the British Royal Family out, as I agree with you and Celia Homeford on that. As far as "German" princess, I changed to be more specific, instead saying "Hessian". -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 17:43, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

If she's not a British aristocrat, perhaps you should rethink your edit saying she is[7]. You reverted twice[8][9]. Clicking the "Undo" button is a revert. Repeated reverts during a dispute is an edit war. DrKay (talk) 17:56, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

I do not need to rethink that edit, as she is the daughter of a British marquess. However, she was a princess before and after her marriage, and her most senior position was never as a daughter of a marquess. So when she became a British "Lady" she was already a Danish and Greek princess and, of course, used that style and title, as you well know. I did not realize that my changes qualify as edit warring. You will see that my second revert was not actually an undo edit either. I brought this to the talk page to try and have a discussion about it, not to be called irritating and unhelpful. I am trying to improve this article, same as you. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 18:05, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Actually, daughters of knights do have places in the order of precedence, so technically from birth, she would have had precedence as the daughter of knight commander and from the age of two as the daughter of a knight grand cross. DrKay (talk) 18:11, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Ah, thank you for bringing that to my attention. I stand corrected. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 18:13, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2019

Some idiot has replaced "Alice" with "Andrew" in the illness subsection. This needs fixing. 82.21.180.236 (talk) 03:01, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. This appears to be correct. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 04:23, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 November 2019

The sentence reading "Princess Andrew returned to Great Britain in 1947" is totally wrong. The name is, obviously, Princess Alice. How hard is that to fix?? Tomsowa (talk) 05:51, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

How hard is it to read the article and learn that her title then was Princess Andrew? Celia Homeford (talk) 08:45, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 November 2019

Addendum: In a new FILM section, you also could mention the documentary film "The Queen's Mother in Law" (2012), directed by Rob Coldstream, which is referred to in the talk about Alice's religious dedication Holodoc64 (talk) 11:42, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

• What does the documentary film say about her? What insights does it bring to the topic area that are not currently raised in the article? Are there any citations that discuss this work and its contribution to how she is portrayed in fiction or viewed by historians? Celia Homeford (talk) 12:04, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 November 2019

Suggestion for an addition: New Chapter, FILM - TV-Serie The Crown, Netflix, 2016-, Season 3 (2019), Episodes 3 ("Bubbikins") und 4 ("Coup"); Jane Lapotaire (Link to her article) as Alice. Holodoc64 (talk) 11:34, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

•  Not done There is some guidance at Wikipedia:"In popular culture" content on how to write these sorts of section. We should avoid uncited lists of trivia. Celia Homeford (talk) 12:04, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
• The Crown is certainly a notable production, and she should be mentioned and linked there as a character, which she is. Should probably also be mentioned and linked at the Jane Lapotaire article. But it seems unlikely her small appearance in the series warrants any mention here. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:23, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Princess Andrew

I am starting a new discussion thread because the last one is old. The subject is referred to throughout as either "Princess Alice" or "Princess Andrew" (her married name). The style guidelines (WP:NAME) say that titles should normally only be used in the first sentence. I suggest we refer to her throughout as "Alice", which is how Diana, Princess of Wales is written. TFD (talk) 02:34, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

"Alice" is fine for her youth and prior to marriage, but is neither how she was normally referred to thereafter nor encyclopedic in tone. Diana, who became famous in youth and died before middle-age, was widely referred to as Diana prior to marriage, after divorce and, colloquially, during marriage. English-language media rarely referred to "Alice" as such during or after her lifetime, and other written sources mostly do so in referring to her pre-marital life or status. Let's not fix what ain't broke. FactStraight (talk) 03:11, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

See Yad Yeshem and the Channel Four documentary.[10] Besides, we normally use names without titles, even for kings and queens. Incidentally why is the title "Princess Alice of Battenberg" if she is better known as Princess Andrew? TFD (talk) 04:06, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

--- Alice or Princess Andrew -- in the interest of consistency, suggest that one photo caption be changed from "Alice with her first two children, Margarita and Theodora, c. 1910" to "Princess Andrew with ..." .GeeBee60 (talk) 17:53, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

I don't think such a change will do any good. People still change Andrew to Alice even when the sentence is obviously and clearly supposed to say Andrew, or in the hatnote when it obviously refers to the 'Princess Andrew' redirect, and even when the sentence clearly explains why she was called Princess Andrew. Indeed, most of the changes to the page by IPs and new editors were at the top where the title is actually explained. Even if it was changed to 'Alice' in the rest of the article, that wouldn't stop the constant mistaken corrections to where we need to say Andrew. Celia Homeford (talk) 09:01, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

By the way you can also see the name on the tomb at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7783339.stm Nemo 21:42, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2019

Princess Alice is repeatedly referred to as Princess Andrew instead. Mainly throughout the illness section. 193.61.207.154 (talk) 12:26, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

As for many ladies, her name changed when she married. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:29, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 December 2019

Under "Successive life crises"

Change: "With the advent of the Balkan Wars, Prince Andrew was reinstated in the army, and Princess Andrew acted as a nurse,"

To: "With the advent of the Balkan Wars, Prince Andrew was reinstated in the army, and Princess Alice acted as a nurse," Comicbookgrrl (talk) 04:03, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. See rest of article. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 04:08, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Name is incorrect. Change to Princess Alice

She is referred to frequently in the body of the article as Princess Andrew. Please change to Princess Alice. Hohniker (talk) 03:52, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

•  Not done See sections above. DrKay (talk) 08:10, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 March 2020

Philip's childhood and adolescence were characterized by intra-family conflicts. At the time of his birth, his parents' marriage had already failed, but his very emotional mother would not acknowledge this. Although the parents went into exile together after a military coup, the mother went to Paris, while the father took an apartment in Monte Carlo and lived there with his mistress. The mother and her five children were dependent on the goodwill of relatives and friends, as she herself had little money and was not supported by her husband. During the first years of Philips' life, his mother began to suffer from a mental illness. She showed signs of schizophrenia and lived in a dream world. Finally, under pressure from her brother Louis Mountbatten, she was admitted to the psychiatric clinic Sanatorium Bellevue (Kreuzlingen, Canton Thurgau, Switzerland), as she was no longer able to distinguish between reality and appearance. Since his father did not want to admit Philip, he lived with various relatives over the next few years, including his sisters living in Germany. On the advice of his sister Theodora, a married princess of Baden, Philip attended the newly founded Schule Schloss Salem from 1933 to 1934. 2A02:1205:504A:97B0:F0B5:E04D:6733:22E3 (talk) 21:47, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

 Not done It's not clear what changes you want to make and much of this is either a repetition or focused on other people. DrKay (talk) 21:59, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 June 2020

I think there is a mistake. It says princess Andrew above the article's main picture instead of princess Alice. Thanks! 2402:3A80:1664:ED65:804A:6299:CD97:AF6 (talk) 04:05, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: Quote: "After marrying Prince Andrew of Greece and Denmark in 1903, she adopted the style of her husband, becoming Princess Andrew of Greece and Denmark."... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 04:33, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 June 2020

She died in 1969 not 1988. Tomonaut (talk) 12:15, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

As explained in the article, she was re-interred in 1988. DrKay (talk) 12:24, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 August 2020

Please remove the links to Prince Welf Ernst of Hanover, as the article has been deleted. 2601:241:300:B610:40F8:9318:5ED5:A6C4 (talk) 15:58, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:58, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2020

Please remove the link to Prince Georg of Hanover, as it was deleted. 73.110.217.186 (talk) 14:00, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

 Done  Darth Flappy ^«Talk» 14:18, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Wrong Caption

Above the main picture it’s written “Princess ANDREW of Greece and Denmark”. Wrong. She’s princess ALICE of Greece and Denmark Sir Joe MC (talk) 22:30, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Andrew is correct, as explained in the article text and in sections above this one. DrKay (talk) 01:42, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 February 2021

Under the section Widowhood, the first line says “Princess Andrew.” There is no Princess Andrew - it should read “Princess Alice.” 2600:1700:1188:A130:B954:1E11:F91C:C844 (talk) 12:55, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

See talk page sections above and the article for explanation. DrKay (talk) 12:56, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Potrayals in fiction

Is there a specific reason to why there isn't a section about her potrayals in fiction? The only one I know of is Jane Lapotaire in The Crown, which I'd argue is pretty well-known nowadays, but I've noticed there isn't many articles of royals with such sections. And also, I realise this in a Featured Article so I'm not just going to edit it without asking. Could someone shine some light on this topic for me?? Thank you Lluvia Roja (talk) 23:37, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Guidance on how to handle such material is at MOS:CULTURALREFS. DrKay (talk) 06:46, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2021

Underneath the name "Princess Alice", it says "Princess Andrew of Greece and Denmark". This should be changed to "Prince Andrew of Greece and Denmark, as listed further on in the Wikipedia page, as he was Princess Alice's husband, not a woman. Creppled (talk) 11:46, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Try reading the article or the talk page. DrKay (talk) 11:50, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 April 2021

I would like to correct grammar and spelling 82.1.177.236 (talk) 07:16, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done There's nothing wrong with the grammar and spelling. Edit requests should explicitly request specific edits, in the form 'Please change X to Y'. DrKay (talk) 07:27, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2021

Many places it says Princess Andrew and it should be Princess Alice. 141.156.92.185 (talk) 14:45, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Please read the article and the talk sections above. DrKay (talk) 14:46, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 August 2021

Above her picture, it says ‘Princess Andrew’ and not ‘Princess Alice’. 92.30.70.210 (talk) 15:53, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: In those unenlightened times, "Princess (husband's name)" would be the official name. Favonian (talk) 16:20, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Paragraph beginning with "After the fall", change "Princess Andrew" to "Princess Alice".

67.42.114.238 (talk) 21:57, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

She was Princess Andrew. DrKay (talk) 22:08, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Vandalized

This page appears to have been vandalized. It refers to a 'Princess Andrew' in several places where it should read 'Princess Alice'. It also refers to a 'Princess George of Hanover' where it likely should read 'Prince George of Hanover'. 108.175.228.22 (talk) 03:21, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

See the big banner at the top of this page, all the other talk page comments and the article text. DrKay (talk) 07:13, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 March 2022

Please add the category Category:Royal reburials 67.173.23.66 (talk) 17:15, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

 Done.Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:06, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 April 2022

In the paragraph on Princess Alice’s schizophrenia diagnosis, she is referred to as “Princess Andrew.” This is a mistake that should read Princess Alice instead. 160.39.48.147 (talk) 03:16, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: if I'm correct, she was Princess Andrew by the time of the schizophrenia diagnosis 💜  melecie  talk - 05:25, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 September 2022

Alice was Victoria's daughter .... Not her great granddaughter! 2A02:C7E:3325:4C00:5115:E07D:FD4D:6B6F (talk) 19:36, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

You've mixed up two Alices. DrKay (talk) 19:56, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Wrong name

Chapter: Illness Second paragraph: “In 1930, Princess ANDREW began to behave in a very disturbed manner and claimed to be in contact with Christ and the Buddha. She was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia (…)”

This needs to be fixed. It’s Princess Alice, not Princess Andrew. Gagatka2001 (talk) 22:36, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

As explained in the article and above in huge letters, that was her name after marriage. DrKay (talk) 06:28, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Princess Alice

You need to correct her name on this posting. Her name is Princess Alice not Andrew. Men can’t have children. 2603:6010:6C07:C6E3:6D04:C722:D1B1:1079 (talk) 23:14, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Princess Michael of Kent isn't a man either. That doesn't mean that's not her name. DrKay (talk) 17:39, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

That's her correct married title. EmilySarah99 (talk) 06:59, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 September 2022

Princess Alice is referred to as Princess Andrew throughout the wiki entry. 82.29.159.85 (talk) 12:46, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, she is. Celia Homeford (talk) 12:54, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Needs more citation.

There are large portions of this page that have not citations. 2601:447:C802:51FD:0:0:0:3 (talk) 14:32, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 September 2022

Under the section titled Death and burial, change "Princess Andrew" to "Princess Alice." Cswat (talk) 18:44, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

I see the value of changing it to plain 'Alice' without Princess since that is shorter and escapes these endless attempts to remove the name she later adopted. However, I don't see much value in changing Andrew to Alice in this section without removing the unnecessary prefix or making other changes elsewhere in the article. DrKay (talk) 19:03, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2022

In the second paragraph after the general details it says: In 1930, Princess Andrew was diagnosed with schizophrenia... When is should be Princess *Alice* Lmaayanl (talk) 22:10, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Among Us for POTUS (talk) 22:11, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Wrong name

In several places throughout the article…it says Princess Andrew. I believe it should be Princess Alice. 2601:249:447F:8207:64FD:83A4:A101:A304 (talk) 04:33, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

But it shouldn't. Please read the note you had to scroll past to post this. - Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)} 05:03, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Princess Andrew? Shouldn't this be Princess Alice throughout this whole piece?

It appears that somehow, someone has mistakenly called Princess Alice 'Princess Andrew' multiple times here, unless there is a reason for calling her that which I don't understand.

Prince Andrew and Princess Andrew.... Princess Andrew took up charity work.... everywhere.

Needs to be corrected. 2003:E6:1734:4E5F:FC6E:BA4D:963B:B362 (talk) 20:48, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Read the first paragraph of the article. Or the big notice at the top of this page. DrKay (talk) 21:09, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

If it were up to me IP? I'd change the marital/post-marital name usage, concerning this topic. GoodDay (talk)

It is evidently confusing. Every other thread on this talk page is someone noting this "mistake". I also fail to see why we have to use such a formal title in every instance instead of mostly just "Alice" if we can afford to call her daughter-in-law simply Elizabeth rather than "the queen" all the time. Do the cited sources refer to her exclusively as Princess Andrew? Surtsicna (talk) 20:52, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Indeed, the "Princess husband's name" style, is confusing. Its practice on Wikipedia, should be discontinued. GoodDay (talk) 21:23, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

It's inconsistent to think that two people of different genders called 'Prince Andrew' and 'Princess Andrew' can be easily confused and then at another page claim that two women called 'Mary I' and 'Mary I' can never be confused with each other. Celia Homeford (talk) 08:15, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Not so, as the latter concerns two separate monarchs, from separate countries. Countries that latter had a monarch named "Mary II". GoodDay (talk) 19:06, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

It's not as simple as that. "People still change Andrew to Alice even when the sentence is obviously and clearly supposed to say Andrew, or in the hatnote when it obviously refers to the 'Princess Andrew' redirect, and even when the sentence clearly explains why she was called Princess Andrew.[For example, [11].) Indeed, most of the changes to the page by IPs and new editors were at the top where the title is actually explained. Even if it was changed to 'Alice' in the rest of the article, that wouldn't stop the constant mistaken corrections to where we need to say Andrew. Celia Homeford (talk) 09:01, 25 November 2019 (UTC)" You'd have to keep 'Princess Andrew' in the hatnote, at the top of the infobox, in the first or second sentence of the first paragraph, in the marriage section, in the titles and styles section, and in the titles of the citations that use Princess Andrew. I don't object to changing to 'Alice' (without 'Princess') where possible but I think we'll still have people trying to 'correct' the hatnote, the top of the infobox, and the explanation in the introduction regardless. Celia Homeford (talk) 15:57, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

And with convenient speed, Celia's point is proven: [12]. DrKay (talk) 23:00, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Is it not possible, if not likely, that the replacements of Andrew with Alice when Andrew is being referred to are caused by the confusing use of Andrew to refer to both Andrew and Alice? This sort of thing hardly ever happens in biographies in which the subject is not consistently referred to by another person's name and one has to wonder why. Surtsicna (talk) 19:04, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
I have just checked Vickers. He calls her Alice throughout the biography. Surtsicna (talk) 19:29, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

That others will incorrectly change it is hardly a reason to use the wrong name. If she was known to the world as "Princess Alice", that's how we should refer to her - except in the specific instances when ot is necessary to mention her official name. If, however, she was really known as "Princess Andrew", that should be her name everywhere after her marriage, and should even be her name in the article title. Yitz711 (talk) 13:07, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

The British convention is that a wife takes her husbands title - see british princess. Given that Princess Alice was married to Prince Andrew, her courtesy title would be Princess Andrew. She was also referred to as Princess Andrew in the UK Court Circulars. I should note that this convention is of german/hanoverian origin and was not dominant among other European royal houses.

This being a British convention I see no reason for it to apply to Princess Alice or other greek princesses. She was a Princess of Battenberg by birth and Princess of Greece and Denmark by marriage. In accordance with Greek convention, even if she were not a princess by birth, she would still be entitled to use as a courtesy title that of a greek princess by her marriage to Prince Andrew. As such, her curtesy title would be Princess Alice of Greece and Denmark. We can observe this practice in current Greek princesses by marriage. I should note that other Greek princesses by marriage of the time of Princess Alice are referred on Wikipedia in accordance with the British convention.

Furthermore, unlike in the UK, there was no rule in Greece that mandated the renouncing of foreign titles, namely that of Princess of Battenberg. As such, Princess Alice was also a Princess of Battenberg by birth, a title that she never renounced.

Taking all this into account, and the fact that Princess Alice was more commonly known as Princess Alice, I see no reason to identify her as Princess Andrew. In this regard, it's also of note Princess Alice gravestone, commissioned by her son Prince Philip, which identifies her as: Alice, Princess Andrew of Greece, Princess of Battenberg. 85.241.170.141 (talk) 02:16, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

And I see no reason to change it. This has been discussed over and over again, by now it seems like beating a dead horse to me. Note that even that gravestone calls her "Princess Andrew". - Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)} 05:20, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 November 2023

In 1930, Princess Andrew to Princess Alice 184.103.212.155 (talk) 04:00, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done Please read the note at the top of this talk page. - Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)} 04:41, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2023

The article states over and over that she was called Andrew. This is incorrect. Change Andrew to Alice.

"title        = Princess Andrew of Greece and Denmark" 2A02:C7C:3645:A900:790A:80EB:F51D:FE58 (talk) 20:27, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done. The article states that she was called "Princess Alice of Battenberg (Victoria Alice Elizabeth Julia Marie)", and "After marrying Prince Andrew of Greece and Denmark in 1903, she adopted the style of her husband, becoming Princess Andrew of Greece and Denmark." Maproom (talk) 20:44, 24 November 2023 (UTC)