Talk:President's Call to Service Award

I need some help, I just started doing wikipedia today, and I started a page that I now realize would be better as a subcategory of another page. Also, the name isn't right, Presidential should be President's. The Award is really the highest level of the President's Volunteer service award, which is what I think deserves a page of its own. There is a Bronze, Silver, and Gold level below the Call to Service level. There are pictures of the awards at http://www.presidentialserviceawards.gov/tg/pvsainfo/dspAboutAwards.cfm. A list of recipients would be a key reason to have this page at all. I just need help in learning how to do all of this.

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RfC on including the list of recipients

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

While there has not been heavy participation, the consensus of this RFC is to include only those recipients who are notable by Wikipedia standards (have an article w/ sourcing). Primefac (talk) 15:50, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

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Should this article include a list of the award's recipients? A loose noose (talk) 06:46, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

From editor placing this request: I recently removed the list of recipients of this award, because it appeared that there were going to be far too many to reasonably mention. Another editor has added it back. I contacted the office that distributes this award, and was told that they handle over "8,000 clients" and could not give me even a rough estimate of how many of these awards they give out annually. While I understand that having 4,000 hours of logged volunteer time seems like a lot, "comparatively few" is not exactly a measurement of how exclusive this award is and seems like a poor basis for developing a list of recipients. Anyone doing a google search on this award and trying to list all of the recipients (how many could there be in just 15 years?) will soon find themselves in an infinity task they can never complete. There appear to have been thousands of recipients, and trying to list them here or anywhere seems pretty pointless. When not even the organization that hands out the award knows how many people have received it, why are we trying to list them here on Wikipedia? ( I am talking about the President's Lifetime Achievement Award here, not just the Volunteer Service Award). A loose noose (talk) 06:48, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi. Please see President's Volunteer Service Award.

In removing the list, you removed the following text: While numerous Americans have been awarded some degree of the President's Volunteer Service Award, comparatively few have been awarded the highest honor - the President's Call to Service Award (also referred to as the President's Lifetime Achievement Award).

That is the information I am going on, if you can maybe list some of these google hits that show that the President's Call to Service Award as opposed to the Presidents Volunteer Service Award is long, then I will withdraw my concern. I like that you RfC'd it, so others can weigh in. TantraYum (talk) 20:30, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

• Comment Summoned by legobot to state the obvious:
  • Don't include a list of 8000 recipients.
  • Consider making a list of notable* recipients.
  • Consider removing from that list, anyone who a)Doesn't have their own Wikipedia article and/or b)was not given significant coverage upon their receipt of the award (i.e. don't just scour the pages of the websites of the issuing body or other notarizing organizations to verifiy that a recipient belongs on the list.
  • Merge any useful text removed while deleting/editing the list with an existing paragraph.

*notable meaning that a) the recipient is notable and b) Their receipt of the award has been mentioned in a reliable source.

Edaham (talk) 06:39, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

• Do not include a list of all recipients, but do include a list of notable recipients, if reliably sourced DocumentError (talk) 06:17, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

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