Talk:Pope Miltiades/GA1

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Reviewer: Display name 99 (talk · contribs) 20:57, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Beginning review now. For future reference, the GA nom template should be placed at the very top of the article talk page. Display name 99 (talk) 20:57, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Background

• "Miltiades, and his successor Sylvester I, was part of the clergy of Pope Marcellinus." There are several problems with this sentence. 1) The first comma should be moved to after the word "successor." 2) Exchange were for was. 3) I'm not sure what "party of the clergy of Pope Marcellinus" means. Any priest or deacon is considered part of the Catholic clergy. Were they part of his inner circle? If so, different terminology should be used. Display name 99 (talk) 20:57, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

• "It has been suggested that he was party to the alleged apostasy of Pope Marcellinus..." Firstly, what was the alleged apostasy of Marcellinus? An explanation of one sentence or less would do. Secondly, what was the alleged role of Miltiades in it? Petillanus's charges against him should be explained.

Pontificate

• Remove double-link of Liber pontificalis. Display name 99 (talk) 20:57, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

• "This order, however, probably didn't extend to the other parts of Maxentius' jurisdiction." The article doesn't exactly say where they extended to at all. Furthermore, please avoid contractions when writing for Wikipedia. Display name 99 (talk) 20:57, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

• If you're going to include a brief explanation of what the Liber Pontificalis is, don't you think it would make sense to have the explanation the first time you mention it, rather than the third? Display name 99 (talk) 20:57, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

• What was Miltiades' position on the war between Constantine and Maxentius? Display name 99 (talk) 20:57, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

• Licinius's eventual persecution of Christians should be mentioned. If it happened after Miltiades' death, a brief mention is still warranted. Display name 99 (talk) 20:57, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

• I assume that the last paragraph before "Lateran council" is talking about the Edict of Milan. If so, please link to it. Any role that Miltiades might have had in the creation of the edict would be good to discuss. Display name 99 (talk) 20:57, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Governor Sheng's responses

Background

• I fixed the the first two issues. Regarding the third issue, would the formulation "was a presbyter under Marcellinus" be fine? I can find the sources mentioning him either as "part of clergy" or "presbyter" of Marcellinus. Though the Catholic Encyclopedia refers to him simply as a "Roman priest". The fact that in other sources he's mentioned as part of Marcellinus clergy is for simple reason Marcellinus was at the time Bishop of Rome, and Miltiades served him as a presbyter in Rome. So I guess my proposal would be good enough? Tell me what you think.

• So I have added a brief explanation. I would go explaining it to widely, as I believe it would add unnecessary weight against Miltiades, considering that it is a contested claim, disputed by Augustine of Hippo. Miltiades' role is that he simply participated in the event of the alleged apostasy - surrendering books and offering incenses to the pagan gods. Would current formulation be satisfying?

Pontificate

• Done.

• It is not known in which areas the order was applied. Therefore, I changed the wording from "to the other parts of the jurisdiction" to "to all of the parts of the jurisdiction". Would this be fine?

• Done.

• Unfortunately, we have no information about Miltiades' position on the war between Constantine and Maxentius. The sources about him are very obscure, and only information we have about him come from Liber Pontificalis and Liberian Catalogue, which are silent on this matter.

• Done.

• Done. Does this formulation looks good?

--Governor Sheng (talk) 23:30, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

I've decided to promote this article. I fixed a couple grammar errors just now. I wish we could get something on what Miltiades did during the Constantine-Maxentius War, but if the sources really don't say anything reliable about it then there's nothing that can be done. Anyway, good work. Display name 99 (talk) 00:38, 11 January 2018 (UTC)