Talk:Pope Martin I

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When did Martin 1 arrive in Constantinople?[edit]

I relocated this comment here that someone (no signature provided) entered into the main article (instead of here, the discussion page): "The date of his arrival in Contantinople should be 17 September 653, not 654 (McCormick, 484), giving a three-month voyage, not 15-month." Can this be addressed and then incorporated into the main page, if appropriate? Thanks, Hu Gadarn 15:09, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Duration of his Papacy[edit]

I was surprised to see this article list the end of Martin's papacy as A.D. 653, when he was arrested by imperial forces. While he was not able to function, he would still have been considered pope, at least until his sucessor was elected the following year. I note the old Catholic Encyclopedia gives its length as running to the date of his death. Should the date, then, be changed at least to A.D. 654? Daniel the Monk (talk) 15:59, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is an interesting case. You'll note that the Romans elected a successor to Martin while he was still alive and in Byzantine custody. You seem to be proposing that this action terminated his papacy, and I don't claim that is objectively wrong, but it begs the question because generally one waits until after the pope dies or resigns to elect a successor. To me, that seems to indicate that the Romans regarded the papal chair as vacant before they held the election. There's no right or wrong answer here. I would support 653/654, given that the article makes the actual facts clear. Savidan 16:27, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Month of Death?[edit]

This article states that he died in both September and April. Which is it? 1.126.107.94 (talk) 09:37, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What is an iussio?[edit]

In the lead it says "He was the only pope during the Eastern Roman domination of the papacy whose election was not approved by an iussio from Constantinople". The word iussio does not recur in the article, is not explained anywhere, and we have no such article to link to. What then is an iussio? DuncanHill (talk) 01:30, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It is just postclassical Latin for an imperial decree, translating the Greek prostagma. Technicalities of usage don't seem relevant here so I've changed it to English. —Nizolan ^(talk) 01:49, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've also redirected iussio appropriately since the term seems to be used in other articles too with little explanation. —Nizolan ^(talk) 01:59, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, DuncanHill (talk) 09:40, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What is the typus of Paul?[edit]

Under "Papacy (649-653)" we read "In this condemnation were included not only the Ecthesis (the exposition of faith of the Patriarch Sergius for which the emperor Heraclius had stood sponsor), but also the typus of Paul, the successor of Sergius, which had the support of the reigning Emperor (Constans II)". What is the typus of Paul? Not explained here, not mentioned on the page Paul II the Black of Alexandria. DuncanHill (talk) 01:38, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@DuncanHill: It means the Type of Constans. The Paul in question is Paul II of Constantinople, not Paul the Black. I'll fix the sentence. —Nizolan ^(talk) 01:38, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, DuncanHill (talk) 09:40, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]