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Proposal to add a "See Also" section to this article, with "Pokemon" as the first entry under the new section

Since "Pokemon Go" is based upon and was inspired by "Pokemon", I suggest adding a "See Also" section to this article, and I further propose that the link to the Wikipedia article on "Pokemon" be the first entry in the new section. Gary Henscheid (talk) 12:47, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

  • Pokémon is already mentioned in the article. There was a See also section on the 20 July 2016, but Soetermans removed it with the edit summary of "See also is for similar articles, not gameplay or technology used in the game". Anarchyte (work | talk) 12:58, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Check out WP:SEEALSO. In particular, "As a general rule, the "See also" section should not repeat links that appear in the article's body or its navigation boxes." - Pokemon is linked (Likely several times) in the article body. -- ferret (talk) 13:06, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
(edit conflict) WP:SEEALSO says "As a general rule, the "See also" section should not repeat links that appear in the article's body or its navigation boxes". Since Pokémon is mentioned repeatedly in the article, that wouldn't make sense. I took the section out, because "The links in the "See also" section should be relevant, should reflect the links that would be present in a comprehensive article on the topic (...) It is also not mandatory". If a section would be reinstated, I do think the four links previous are not necessary. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 13:10, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
I pretty much agree with Soetermans - I find about 99% of the time these sections are redundant. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:51, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
@Fixuture:, here is the discussion. Either incorporate the links to relevant sections, or leave it out. See also sections are not a requirement. I also don't appreciate your edit summary of the single word "false". soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 11:28, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

See also: Paper Toss

Why on earth does this article link to paper toss? The connection should either be clearly explained (if there is one) or the link/section should be removed. Burnsbert (talk) 14:23, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Added a brief explanation as to why it's there (at least this is why I'm assuming someone else added it to the see also section). The main gameplay elements of the two games (flicking paper and tossing Pokéballs) are almost identical. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 14:28, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
I added it because I saw it being mentioned in some articles. [1] [2] [3] [4], and a misc. reddit post where the producer at Backflip Studios comments on it, although I know this one doesn't count. Anarchyte (work | talk) 14:30, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
The similarity of the flicking mechanic is enough for a mention in the reception or gameplay section, but no where near being relevant enough for "See Also". It's not even mentioned anywhere in the article. See WP:NAVLIST. TarkusAB 14:57, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Having it in the article would defeat the purpose of having it in "See also", since then it would become redundant per WP:ALSO. The point of the see also section is to provide tangentially related topics, which is exactly what Paper Toss is, in my opinion. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 15:03, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
But it's always preferred to have it in the article, if possible. If you can't find a way to do that, then perhaps it doesn't belong at all. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 06:16, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
See this discussion as well, @Fixuture:. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 11:30, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Out of Order?

So, the following quote from the article seems a bit out of order to me, but I wanted to see if it sounded ok to others before changing it: According to SensorTower, the game was downloaded more than 10 million times within a week of release, becoming the fastest such app to do so. However, according to SurveyMonkey the game became the most active mobile game in the United States ever with 21 million active users on July 12, eclipsing Candy Crush Saga's peak of 20 million. In contrast, SensorTower estimated 15 million global downloads by July 13. It comes from the "Downloads and sales" section. I'm not entirely clear on if the SurveyMonkey sentence accidentally interrupts something about SensorTower or if SurveyMonkey is there as some sort of comparison. -- Gestrid (talk) 06:15, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

What's the proposed change? —PermStrump(talk) 07:13, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
The awkward wording is on me, whoops. Went ahead and fixed it up by moving the 15 million statement earlier. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 07:21, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Cyclonebiskit, thanks. That clears things up. Permstrump, when I posted this, I was just looking for input to see if the wording seemed awkward to others and, if it did, how they thought it should sound, since I wasn't entirely sure what it was saying. -- Gestrid (talk) 15:32, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Legacy

It seems pretty ridiculous (WP:PUFFERY) for this article to have a section called "Legacy" already. The material in that section is basically a reiteration of positive reviews. I think the whole section should be deleted and some of the material reintroduced conservatively somewhere else in the article only if it's clear that it adds unique value to the article. Thoughts from unpaid editors? —PermStrump(talk) 07:11, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

It was originally in a section called "Community and cultural impact" and part of the "Reception" section, not sure when it was split to its own section. As far as I'm aware, "Legacy" is just a go-to title in WP:VG for content that doesn't really fall under basic critic reviews. The content is still relevant, however. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 07:17, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
here's the reception organisation as it was a couple of days ago. --211.30.17.74 (talk) 07:19, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
That makes more sense. That's probably the section I thought it was a redundant to. —PermStrump(talk) 07:26, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, I was gonna make a suggestion to change the section title to something like "Impact", actually. Permstrump just got to it before me, I guess, and someone has already changed the title. Legacy, it seems to me, should be made sometime in the more distant future for things it had a more lasting impact on than just current things, if that makes sense. -- Gestrid (talk) 15:39, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Mistake in Regional Availability map

Although the article mentioned that the app was released for Puerto Rico on July 19, the Regional Availability map does not include that country. Yoshiman6464 (talk) 01:30, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

One would expect Pokemon Go being released in French Guiana would be pretty newsworthy since it meant it's being officially available in South America for the first time, but I found no mention of the sort anywhere. So I don't think French Guiana should be coloured on the map just because it's released in France (a cursory search on Google also suggests French Guiana cannot play it yet). _dk (talk) 11:56, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for leaving me a message on my talk page. Although I created the map, French Guiana wasn't coloured by me, so I just left it there. In fact the editor had coloured all the French overseas departments and territories. I have updated that and removed them. Thanks for notifying. As for Puerto Rico, all the while this map follows the official release announcements from the Pokemon Go official Facebook/Twitter pages(https://www.facebook.com/PokemonGO/?fref=ts), and they have made no mentions of Puerto Rico. Let me know if I should include Puerto Rico and subsequent countries that were never "officially released". Aforl (talk) 03:50, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
I got the Puerto Rico release date from two Spanish articles in the article. They were discussed in This Archived Disussion. Yoshiman6464 (talk) 17:50, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Genres besides Augmented Reality

This page says that the game's genre is Augmented Reality. I think it should have more genres.

Calling it "augmented reality" is a bit of a grey area. The problem is, there's an "AR" switch that allows players to turn off their camera, and most players turn this off, for two reasons: better battery life, and it makes the game easier. But if you turn off the camera, is it still an "augmented reality" game? No, not really.

There's a bunch of other genre terms that may apply to Pokémon GO: Transreality gaming, Alternate reality game, Mixed reality

We can't just call it an augmented reality game because the marketing departments of Niantic and Nintendo tell us to call it that.

Further reading:

Howrad (talk) 00:38, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

You'll need to find better sourcing for this. I'm not sure either Atlas Obscura or Boingboing work as reliable sources, but putting that aside... Atlasobscura doesn't directly call Pokemon Go "alternate reality". It's mostly discussing the old AI game, with Pokemon Go getting a passing mention really. Boingboing, despite the SEO URL, never even uses the word alternate. The actual article title says "augmented". We call it an augmented reality game because that's what our reliable secondary sources call it. ccc.-- ferret (talk) 00:52, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

@Ferret:, you're right, those sources are a little weak, but those were the best I could find a few days ago. Here are 4 new sources for you, including one from Scientific American:

I think this should be enough evidence to introduce some doubt into the article about whether it's really Augmented Reality, and add some new genres. My point was exactly that "what Niantic/Nintendo want is irrelevant." Wikipedia can't authoritatively call it Augmented Reality just because the developer calls it that. Howrad (talk) 20:34, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

I'll take a look at these sources in a bit, but what I meant to convey earlier is that we do not call it augmented reality because the developer wants it called that. We call it that because there's plenty of reliable secondary sources that do so. -- ferret (talk) 21:18, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

@Dissident93: I know that nearly all sources call it AR. Those sources did not consult a subject-matter expert. They call it AR simply because Niantic calls it AR. I am a subject-matter expert, having developed several VR, AR, and location-based games and experiences. I have also consulted with many other people I know who are subject-matter experts, and all of them agree that it "contains some but not all aspects of an augmented reality game." It definitely is not the primary genre. If Niantic called Pokémon GO a piece of toast, and 95% percent of news articles also called it a piece of toast, that does not mean that Wikipedia needs to call it a piece of toast.Howrad (talk) 05:50, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Actually, we would have to call it a piece of toast, as ridiculous as that sounds, because it would've said that in the majority of all reliable sources. Also, an editor can't say "I know this is true, but my source is myself" and edit a page using themselves as a source because that would violate Wikipedia's policy on no original research. From the "no original research" policy page: The prohibition against OR [original research] means that all material added to articles must be attributable to a reliable, published source, even if not actually attributed. So, even if we know something to be true, we can't say it is without at least being able to point to a reliable source when questioned about it. -- Gestrid (talk) 06:08, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
@Gestrid: I did quote 4 published sources, I was not just saying "I know this is true, but my source is myself." And according to reliable sources, we also have to make sure that significant minority views are covered. So we at least need to say that there is disagreement here. In my opinion, the disagreement is based on Niantic calling it a piece of toast combined with the general media's lack of knowledge. We are in danger here of literally changing the definition of an Augmented Reality game because one company that made an extremely popular game wishes to change the definition. It would be nice if future Wikipedia readers knew that there was disagreement. Howrad (talk) 07:27, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
The vast majority of reliable sources on the game call the game AR, and only a few fringe sources (ones you provided) attempt to debate this. Even if this were to be added to the article, you shouldn't add cited info inside of a footnote, and it would belong outside of the lead. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 10:18, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
@Dissident93: I didn't add cited info inside a footnote, Cyclonebiskit converted it to a footnote. What section do you think it might belong in then? I don't see any obvious sections to put it in besides the lead. Also, in an unrelated issue, I wanted to discuss your edit: "the game can be played solo, the need to be online doesn't make it just 'multiplayer.'" Pokémon GO is essentially a single-sharded MMO. Yeah, you don't have to directly interact with anyone to play, but you're still playing in the same single game world. Would you say that World of Warcraft can be classified as single-player, because at any time you have the ability to completely ignore PCs and only interact with NPCs? Howrad (talk) 05:31, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
In the reception section? "Other critics debated the game's specific genre, instead deciding to call it this and that" would be better than forcing all of that into the very first sentence of the article. And yes I would, as all game's are single-player unless you absolutely can not play without another person. Pokemon.com even calls it single-player, so who are we to debate? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:26, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
@Dissident93: Yeah, the reception section makes sense. I thought of an even stronger reason: any other player can drop a lure where you're standing right now, and it affects your game. There is no ability to "opt-out" of interactions with other players, and thus it cannot be considered a single-player game. Also, note that Pokemon.com calls it a "Real World Adventure," and the word "augmented" does not even appear once on that page. Howrad (talk) 03:13, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
I'm aware, however no reliable source calls it that, and "real world adventure" doesn't have a Wikipedia article, as it's simply a marketing term and not genre/style of game. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:36, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Nature editorial

I've found a potential source: an editorial in Nature, discussing the potential for Pokemon GO players to become citizen scientists, snapping pictures of real animals they find and potentially discovering new species. (as in Arulenus miae, a new species first documented in a Facebook post): "Gotta name them all: how Pokémon can transform taxonomy". Nature. 535 (7612): 323–324. 19 July 2016. doi:10.1038/535323b. --211.30.17.74 (talk) 07:12, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

MMO parallel

Please add the following:

Regular updates are planned, with CEO Hanke saying that the game is an MMO and will be maintained on a "bi-weekly" basis rather than creating a sequel.[1]

Thank you. --211.30.17.74 (talk) 03:18, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Pokémon Go Team Discusses Successes, Challenges, And The Future". www.gameinformer.com. 11 July 2016. Retrieved 21 July 2016.
  •  Not done MMO is a description of the game and how the devs are treating it in regard to updates. And I thought something like this existed in the article already? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 03:52, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
@Dissident93: The bi-weekly bit doesn't seem to be included. -- Gestrid (talk) 07:06, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
If so, why shouldn't it be included? Particularly the part about Pokemon GO being maintained, rather than getting spun off into "Silver" or "Ruby" sequels? A reviewer has noticed the connection ("Jeremy Parish (US Gamer) compared the game and its social aspects to a massively multiplayer online game") but this is confirmation from a primary source. --211.30.17.74 (talk) 03:58, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. — JJMC89 (T·C) 01:04, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Grammar Mistake Under Gameplay

The second sentence under the Gameplay section is currently "Once created, the avatar is displayed at the on a map using the player's current geographical location." (is displayed at the on a map... is incorrect.) I would suggest that it should be "Once created, the avatar is displayed on a map using the player's current geographical location." Laefk (talk) 00:19, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

 Fixed. Thanks Laefk! Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 02:46, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Profit from Pokemon Go

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/21/middleeast/what-pokemon-go-looks-like-in-syria/ What do you think about include of this information to article? Dawid2009 (talk) 13:45, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Year notation

I believe we should have the year noted as this is relevant to dates and events related to the app and will ensure longevity of the article accuracy. Recently a few years have been removed....thoughts? Dane2007 (talk) 20:15, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

  • Agreed, most editors do not think about the future of articles, only written in a present point-of-view. How will a reader in August 2017 know if half the events stated on the article happened last month or when the game was released in July 2016? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 04:11, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
    • It's all based on the context of the paragraph. If a paragraph starts out stating 2016, it's assumed dates thereafter are all in 2016 unless stated otherwise. If the year changes mid-paragraph, add the new year when appropriate. Adding years after every mention of a day is repetitive and often redundant. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 04:30, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
      • Right, but some of them weren't and a lot of the tense was also written as if Pokemon Go will still be globally relevant in 100+ years. Just imagine if this was a fad from 1916. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 05:00, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Pokemon Go and religion

I found two interesing sources: https://aboutcroatia.net/news/world/pokemon-go-prohibited-islam-egyptian-religious-body-says-29086, and http://www.afpbb.com/articles/-/3094012 Dawid2009 (talk) 14:27, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Was this a fatwa? kencf0618 (talk) 20:35, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Is someone intrested in this topic? It is possible that this section will be soon archived by bot and this disscussion will subside. Dawid2009 (talk) 10:39, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes exactly. Annaloveshungergames27 (talk) 23:20, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes Sinister6889 (talk) 06:25, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

That might be interesting for Religion and video games. I haven't got the time the upcoming days, I'll try to add then. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 15:14, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
@Dawid2009: I took the brackets off your links, because they hide the URLs, and all we see are [1] and [2]. --Thnidu (talk) 02:41, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

The CIA - bottling up the discussion!

The editor was given a final chance, and in that final comment, no new sources were provided, just the same old rhetoric that has garnered zero support so far. Closing. Please notify me if yet another discussion is opened on this topic. Sergecross73 msg me 21:25, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

@soetermans pleads:"Am I not getting through to you, @Santamoly:? So far, nobody agrees with you . . . And please note that nothing is "deleted", your previous attempts of this pointless discussion have been archived" @soetermans, your desperate efforts to stifle this discussion are apparent at the top of the archive block which says:"The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it"; @Soetermans, you're treading a thin line at trying to block discussion aimed at expanding the Pokemon GO information base. As you can see, I don't believe you because your archiving efforts aimed at stifling a discussion supported by internationally-known sources, are so transparent and obvious. It's better that you leave this topic alone because Talk Page discussions are for improving the article but your shallow and transparent attempts to bottle up discussion by prematurely archiving have the opposite effect. You're obviously trying to dumb-down the Talk Page by archiving discussions as soon as they appear. Please leave the Talk Page alone so that we Wikipedians can continue doing what we do best. Archiving is for bundling up old and resolved discussions, not for bottling up current discussions. What you're doing is a sneaky form of harassment. Santamoly (talk) 19:55, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Please stop. Reopening this discussion repeatedly, when multiple editors and admins having closed it, is disruptive and not aimed at improving the article. You are not providing reliable secondary sources or discussing the content you want added, but simply attacking the other editors. -- ferret (talk) 20:05, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
I, and other editors, and closed the discussions, because there is a broad consensus that your assertion is not backed by reliable, third party sources. Everything I've seen you give either has either been from sources that don't meet Wikipedia's definition of a reliable sources, or was from reliable sources that did not directly assert the exact idea you were trying to add to the article. As such, the info fails WP:FRINGE. Unless there's a new development or source that literally and directly states the exact information you want to include, there is nothing more to discuss.
If your next comment doesn't involve a reliable source that directly asserts your stance, the discussion will be closed, and if you open up another discussion, you will be blocked from editing for disruptive editing. Chose your approach wisely, as this is your last chance. Sergecross73 msg me 20:10, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
Hey @Santamoly:, I closed one of your many discussions, not several. Accusing me of harassment is not okay, by any standards. I said repeatedly that it is up to you to find new sources, which you haven't done so far. Where are the "internationally-known sources"? There is nothing to resolve, because there is nothing to discuss. Wikipedia is not a soapbox. Please, stop wasting our time (and yours), and stop playing the victim. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 07:43, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Support closing this discussion. Since this is apparently being interpreted as a personal spat, we can do this semi-formally. No new sources have been presented, no new arguments have been made, and there has already been fairly robust consensus that this qualifies as WP:FRINGE unless many, varied, substantial, and above else, reliable coverage can be found. TimothyJosephWood 12:49, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
  • I'd rather not quite yet, since I just gave him one final chance, and he hasn't used it yet, but I imagine that's where we're headed eventually. As others have mentioned, this game is huge and receives coverage from virtually every news outlet/journalist on the planet - if this idea of CIA connections was prevalent, it'd be extremely easy to find. But lets give him one final chance. Sergecross73 msg me 13:15, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose closing this discussion. Since this is clearly a personal disagreement between a small ring of owners and a group of editors whose sources are being disparaged as insignificant or irrelevant. One of the owners has even suggested that only the New York Times and CNN would be accepted as reliable sources, thereby dismissing many other reliable sources out of hand. Nobody is disputing the fact of the CIA's involvement in funding the development of Pokemon GO's geo-tools using any reliable sources, only the fact that sources reporting the CIA's involvement are not "reliable". The ring of owners is using the RS argument to archive discussion and move records to the background. It's a transparent attempt to bottle up the discussion, and detracts from the quality and depth of the article. Since I'm the most recent editor to try to open this discussion, the ring of owners is focused on my comments, suggesting that I'm a "fringe" voice; however, the archives show that I'm not the only editor who wants this topic opened, I'm only the most recent. Regardless, the quality of the article is lowered by the censorship of this one minor, but most interesting, topic. Disputing the reliability of reliable sources, and resorting to archiving as a method of suppression of discussion, are clearly unethical ways of dealing with editors with alternate views.Santamoly (talk) 20:08, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
@Sergecross73:, your call. I'm through talking to a brick wall. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 20:39, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
So because people disagree with your fringe, tinfoil-hat sources, makes everybody else unethical? There are clear guidelines on what Wikipedia considered reliable sources, and you haven't provided any thus far. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:18, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

First player to complete game

Is Reddit user ftb_hodor the first player to complete the game? Unsure of his real name. Below is the website.

http://www.polygon.com/2016/7/21/12247678/pokemon-go-complete-pokedex (Mobile mundo (talk) 14:34, 4 August 2016 (UTC))

Semi-protected edit request on 6 August 2016


It's also been banned in Malaysia and Saudi Arabia.

SOURCE = https://au.news.yahoo.com/technology/a/32251650/malaysian-islamic-leaders-say-no-to-pokemon-go/#page1


Bendavidsmith (talk) 17:05, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

 Not done It's not officially banned in either country. Just a strong recommendation to Muslims to not play the game, which is already mentioned in the article. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 17:08, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Target Audience

I am a new user. In going through the page I wondered a couple of things. One, who was this game initially designed for? And two, has there been any research into what the demographics are of the people that are playing this game. It seems to me that it would be interesting to know the answers to these questions. I am not a player myself, but work with many who do. Just thought that it might be something that could be relevant to the page if there was a better understanding of who was playing. However, I am not sure if the game has been out long enough to get an accurate account.


Wibharri (talk) 01:59, 7 August 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wibharri (talk • contribs) 01:51, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

release map

@Cyclonebiskit: The chart is great, much better than prose. But it lists Puerto Rico as being shown in white, which would blend into the background and make that relatively tiny island almost impossible to see on the map.

However, Puerto Rico is actually currently shown in green, along with the rest of the Caribbean and continental Latin America. I suggest using brown, which is not currently used on the map and which would stand out well against the white. I don't know how to edit the map at all, or I would boldly change it myself. Thnidu (talk) 03:31, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

@Thnidu: Thanks~ Been trying to figure out how to do it for a bit and it finally came together tonight. The Puerto Rico one is colorless since the release is a bit mixed up between sources. @Molecule Extraction: since you're the most recent person to update the map, would you mind fixing this up? ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 04:29, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
@Cyclonebiskit: Ah, sure. Thanks for informing! :) Molecule Extraction (talk) 04:31, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
@Cyclonebiskit:  Done :) Molecule Extraction (talk) 04:45, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
@Molecule Extraction: Thanks for doing this so quickly! ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 05:06, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
@Cyclonebiskit and Molecule Extraction: Thanks, fellow editors. :-) --Thnidu (talk) 06:46, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

@Cyclonebiskit and Thnidu: Very much welcome. Molecule Extraction (talk) 06:50, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Read

Over 75 percent of americans have never and will never play Pokemon Go. I think the article should reflect that because someone reading the article as it is now would get the mistaken impression that literally everyone in america is playing it when that's no even near being remotely true. A lot of americans have never even heard of Pokemon to begin with. TimeaMese7w98 (talk) 15:55, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

@TimeaMese7w98:, what gives you that impression? And Wikipedia doesn't mention when something isn't played, so how should the article reflect something that isn't happening, according to you? soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 17:39, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
Also, where did you find 75%? And if 75% in fact hasn't played the game at this point, why should they never play the game? Also, 25% of the United States playing the game is a huge number, if you have the source we should definitely include that. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 17:47, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
@TimeaMese7w98: As stated on my talk page, any claim like yours would require reliable sources per Wikipedia policy. The entire claim at this point would be considered original research because the information presented is unsourced and potentially not reported by third parties. Without sources, your contribution to the article is in effect saying "believe me I know I'm right". I do not believe that anyone would have the impression that "literally everyone in America is playing it". Dane2007 (talk) 18:29, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
Oh boy, a chance to plug my draft essay on negative claims. Still could use a lot of polish. —Farix (t | c) 00:21, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Murcia Spain

Murcia is the first city in the world to pay for Pokemon go avatars and to offer prizes here in Murcia .tourism is booming as they come from Madrid and S an Francisco to hunt em down .weird affect of augmented reality but the marketers here in Murcia are shrewd astute and Harvard educated . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.230.72.80 (talk) 19:44, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

...your point being? soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 21:08, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

PokéStop removal requests available again

A form specifically for requesting to be de-listed as a PokéStop is (back?) up at Niantic as of 8 August:

The form lets the requester specify the reason(s) for requesting removal, including because the site is private property, dangerous, or "other" (which I would imagine covers it being inappropriate). The requester can even attach an image of the site. -- Random the Navigator (talk) 07:31, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Safe for Minorities?

Apparently not everyone feels safe playing Pokémon Go; in particular, members of some minority groups have expressed concerns that wandering in certain neighborhoods could give the police the wrong impression. I've seen this mentioned around the Web almost since the game's release, but as far as I know it hasn't been covered here...

Is this aspect something that should be covered in the article? Random the Navigator (talk) 05:08, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

I've since read the referenced article about how the distribution of PokéStops in the US reflects American demographics, and there's a link in that one to the medium.com piece I listed. People are thinking and talking about that not all players are enjoying the same comfort level using the app; maybe it does need its own mention. Thoughts?
(If I do this, any help with wording on a touchy subject will be greatly appreciated!) -- Random the Navigator (talk) 07:19, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
Most likely, it would just be added into an already existing sentence. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 08:04, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

List of best-selling video games

Why Pokemon Go isn't on this list? Dawid2009 (talk) 12:35, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Is PGo...sold? TimothyJosephWood 12:45, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
To elaborate, @Dawid2009:, Pokémon Go is a free-to-play game, while List of best-selling video games is about copies sold. Perhaps an article about video games having the most revenue or profit is a good idea though. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 14:30, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
Or maybe we could just have a separate list, "List of most downloaded (or played) free-to-play video games", with at least a million needed to qualify? Just a thought. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 00:53, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
I'd support such an article. It's only logical with the current trend of digital distribution which moves away from physical CDs (etc.) to digital downloads (& streaming) as well as the current trend towards free-to-play games. There already is the list of most downloaded Android applications btw. I'd favor: List of most downloaded free-to-play video games. It would be nice if someone here created it. --Fixuture (talk) 12:04, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
Do you think free-to-play may muddy the waters some with the whole micro payment thing? TimothyJosephWood 12:27, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
List of most downloaded iOS applications get delted Dawid2009 (talk) 13:39, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
@Fixuture:, while I'm certainly not against such an article, that would be different from a list of free-to-play games with the most revenue. Pokémon Go might be downloaded the most, a game like Clash of Clans has an estimated revenue of 1,5 million dollars a day. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 17:27, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
http://venturebeat.com/2014/02/21/report-finds-free-to-play-microtransactions-make-up-79-of-u-s-app-store-revenues/ - Mybe it would be interesing. Dawid2009 (talk) 17:40, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
@Soetermans: Exactly - personally I'm not really interested in free-to-play games with the highest revenue but I'd like to know which games are played most (these are the games people apparently like most and are most present in society etc.). A list of free-to-play games with the most revenue would make for a nice 2nd list though (I'm not sure if it's problematic to get the revenue-information of these games btw.).
@Dawid2009: It wasn't deleted but merged into: App Store (iOS)#Most downloaded apps (btw. imo that list is way too short and missing information).
@Timothyjosephwood: In which ways? I don't know. Maybe they are. For instance more games might become more pay to winy and intricate games might be hard to finance etc.
--Fixuture (talk) 18:12, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, I see your point. Besides, while informative, revenue of free-to-play games might be harder to find sources for, since developers and/or publishers aren't always open about their finances. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 20:04, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
VentureBeat share up to date leading statistics but I don't know it is enaught. BTW I have started disscussion in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games. Dawid2009 (talk) 20:41, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
An article about revenue would be slightly harder to find sources for than one just about how many copies have been downloaded, but in either case, an article like this should exist. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:50, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
I suggest create two article: just List of the largest video games developers (There is List of video game developers) and List of most downloaded free-to-play video games (due to the fact it is easier to found some sources).
In List of best-selling video games there aren't the most renuve series of the games (In List of best-selling books there are not just single books but also book's series). Which game series is the most popular? Counter-Strike? The Sims? or mybe FIFA? This list would make for a nice ( Featuring Mario games would be classified in this list like to European Union here, due to the fact featuring Mario isn't serie of the games). In my opinion information about most renuve game series is more important than informations about most downloaded and renuve free to play games and should be in wiki before. Dawid2009 (talk) 10:42, 7 August 2016 (UTC) There is List of best-selling video game franchises
@Dawid2009:, I am against a list of largest video game developers. First, what is "large" in this context? Total of employees? Office size? Revenue? Total of games developed? Amount of people playing their games? Second, what would be the point of such a list? The size of a developer - no matter how you define size - doesn't say anything about the games they produce; quality, reception, units sold, etc. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 13:53, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
What's the relevancy of the "largest" game developer here? Would Niantic all of a sudden be considered more important than a company that's been around far longer, but sold slightly less games? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 20:39, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
We can create page: Most downloaded free-to-play games. https://www.surveymonkey.com/ is vere easy source to dispose this list (after registed you have got free premium during 14 days and acces to a lot of things). Similar website also is https://www.statista.com/statistics/popular/. I also have found source by which in 2013 most downloaded mobile games there were Angry Birds, Fruit Ninja and Temple Run: http://www.pocketgamer.biz/news/50604/the-app-stores-most-downloaded-games-of-all-time-angry-birds-fruit-ninja-and-temple-run/ (It is AppStore's opinion).Dawid2009 (talk) 20:47, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Profit from pokemon go

http://mashable.com/2016/07/19/pokemon-go-economics-making-money/#84PUNtxJ5qqX - profit from pokemon go is common, http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/21/middleeast/what-pokemon-go-looks-like-in-syria/ - and even sources like CNN report on this. Dawid2009 (talk) 20:52, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

List of Internet phenomena

Why Pokemon go there isn't on this list? Dawid2009 (talk) 20:40, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

That's a question for Talk:List of Internet phenomena, not this talk page. -- ferret (talk) 21:20, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 August 2016


2601:147:4200:D980:5575:76CF:1944:BF42 (talk) 21:34, 23 August 2016 (UTC) Pokemon go to the poles

 Not done I don't understand what this request is about.

Incident in Taiwan

On August 22, 2016, a wild Snorlax appeared in Taiwan this has caused hundreds of people to approach it. It was reported by the following:

Yoshiman6464 (talk) 15:01, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

I would argue this is trivial and giving WP:UNDUE weight to such an insignificant event but given the reliable sources you included prove otherwise. Meatsgains (talk) 01:56, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
I thought that incident looked pretty impressive from the footage. A bit like Rhodes, which I visited - the number of people was amazing...Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:37, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
I'd say hold off on including it as WP:NOTNEWS at this point as the Time piece (the only one of those 3 sources that says more about it than a caption to the video) says at least twice that the video is unverified: "The unverified video was first posted on Facebook...In it, we see a mob pushing through an intersection in what looks like the city’s Xinbeitou district...While TIME has not authenticated the clip..." (my emphasis). —PermStrump(talk) 04:48, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Mode(s): Single-player, multiplayer

I tried this before, but I think I understand Wikipedia's policies better now, and I want to give it another shot.

I don't think we have sufficient sources to be able to say in the info box that the game has a single-player mode. Yes, one can find sources that say things to the effect of "it feels like a single-player game sometimes," "more multiplayer features are coming later," and claims that it's "predominantly a single-player experience." I believe this is sufficient evidence to write a sentence or two in the article about how some reviewers describe it as "predominantly a single-player experience," but not sufficient evidence to put a single-player mode in the info box. Especially when other sources give evidence that Pokémon GO conflicts with Wikipedia's definition of a Single-player video game: "A single-player video game is a video game where input from only one player is expected throughout the course of the gaming session." Pokémon GO always has inputs from multiple players, and there is no way to opt out.

If we want to keep this in the info box, we need to find a source that proves it has a single-player mode. Howrad (talk) 09:17, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

  • Despite the fact you can fully play this game without need for other live people? It's not the normal version of what we'd considered single player, but what other evidence do you need? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 10:41, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
World of Warcraft can be fully played without the need for other live people too. If every other person in the world stopped playing, you could play it all by yourself. Does that give it a single-player mode in the info box? No. Howrad (talk) 11:15, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
I would agree that there's not much here that qualifies as a traditional conception of a single player game. If it's going to stay in the infobox, we should probably have a source calling it single player, which there doesn't seem to be. TimothyJosephWood 21:40, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
But do you also need other people to play as well, as is the definition of multiplayer? You could argue the same for multiplayer, as is there any source that calls it multiplayer too? I've already asked if we should change the infobox from video games to the software one, as it would fix this issue without getting rid of anything important. Pokémon Go is not a traditional video game, and is more of an app using mobile technology with a Pokémon skin, but that's just my opinion. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:58, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
I absolutely agree with you that Pokémon GO is not a traditional video game, and that's part of what I'm trying to expand upon when I write about different genres. It doesn't really fit any particular mold, because it's something new. However, I think this is actually very different from the Fitbit, which is an example of a mobile app and device that's primarily a utility with light elements of gamification. Pokémon GO is first and foremost a game. Wikipedia's definition of a Multiplayer video game: "A multiplayer video game is a video game in which more than one person can play in the same game environment at the same time." Can play together, not must play together. Howrad (talk) 22:32, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
If nobody can provide additional evidence or sources, I propose that we remove "single-player" from the infobox and add a sentence in the article about how some reviewers describe it as "predominantly a single-player experience," but it is impossible to opt-out of the multiplayer aspects of the game. Howrad (talk) 21:42, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
I agree it should be removed. It is fundamentally a different type of game, and without a source, it seems very synthy to try to fit it into these categories. TimothyJosephWood 21:52, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
But calling it a multiplayer only game isn't really correct either, so I again propose that we could move the infobox to the software one, which doesn't have need for "mode". ~ Dissident93 (talk) 01:04, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Is it impossible to leave "mode" empty in an "Infobox video game?" When I try an edit, setting it to empty and previewing it, it's like nothing happened. Anyway, how do you feel about setting the "mode" to "Massively multiplayer online game," as it is with Clash of Clans and Game of War: Fire Age? I feel like in some ways, these are the closest comparisons, and I think it's a more accurate description than either "single-player" or "multiplayer." Howrad (talk) 18:16, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Those two articles are wrong. The template documentation says that mode should only contain single player, multiplayer, or both. It can be omitted, no field is strictly required. Corrected all three articles. There is an issue with the infobox template that is causing it to display Wikidata when it shouldn't. I am working to fix now. -- ferret (talk) 18:30, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Infobox issue is fixed. -- ferret (talk) 18:42, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Great, now it has no modes, which I think is for the best, but I think we should add a sentence somewhere to encapsulate this discussion we've been having. Howrad (talk) 18:47, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
@Ferret: Off topic to this game, but can the same "suppressed" code be added to the distributor field? We shouldn't be seeing the publisher also listed as the distributor unless they differ. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 19:27, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
@Dissident93: Wikidata will be suppressed as long as the field is on the article, even if it is empty. As for suppressing automatically if they match, drive by the template talk page. Adrian brought this up earlier this week. I have fix in sandbox but have not pushed it live yet. Check the distributor sub-section. -- ferret (talk) 20:14, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2016

Santhosh Panjala (talk) 12:32, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. KGirlTrucker81 talk what I'm been doing 14:37, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Plural

Why is the plural in English given as "Pokemon" rather than the obvious "Plkemons"? 64.53.191.77 (talk) 22:13, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Update "Third-party apps and websites" section to include more helpful links

I propose the section for Pokemon GO titled "Third-party apps and websites" be altered to include other useful sites, or a list of useful sites in addition to the current content. I recommend websites like PidgeyCalc.com, PokeAssistant.com and PogoToolkit.com to be added to the Wiki for visitors looking for useful links. There are also resources online that compile a list of useful sites such as:

https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemongo/comments/4txrqe/everything_you_need_to_know_pokemon_go_links/ http://pogolist.com

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dasilva333 (talk • contribs) 02:35, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Cleanup needed in Release / Regional Availability.

Second-to-last paragraph in the section on Regional Availability breaks down as though further effort authoring in English was abandoned. Perhaps someone became distracted by the game and wandered away? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.15.171.107 (talk) 07:51, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Pokémon Go coming to Apple Watch.

There should be a mention of Pokémon Go's inclusion on the newly announced Apple Watch during the yearly Iphone event provided by Apple. Should someone at least include some information about this? Zacharyalejandro (talk) 03:43, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

@Zacharyalejandro: I added it the article the other day, but I don't see it now. Someone must've reverted. —Mythdon 04:26, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
I removed it because does it really belong in the lead? I'm not familiar with them, but doesn't it run on iOS too? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 04:44, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
If you felt it did not belong in the lead, then you probably could've just put it in another section. Secondly, Apple Watch runs its own operating system, watchOS. Also, the reference I used stated that the Apple Watch version had differences, including which players still have to use their smartphone for capturing Pokemon. —Mythdon 04:48, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
It should be added to a subsection first, then the lead. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 04:56, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Urban bias

I'm surprised that there is no mention of the urban bias of the game and how it is nearly unplayable for those not in a large urban environment. The only hint about the problem is the line in Gameplay section about how Niantic was taking requests for more new PokéStops and gyms in rural areas only to shut the forum down within days. This problem has been covered by major news outlets, including Kotaku, RollingStone, and the Minneapolis Star Tribune. Is this a matter of no one getting around to writing about it? If so, here is a quick list of potential sources about this particular problem.

This should be enough for someone to start adding a paragraph about the urban bias. As for why I don't add it myself, I don't have enough knowledge to identify which of these are reliable sources, and which are not. —Farix (t | c) 10:58, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

  • @TheFarix: Check out WP:VG/S for reliable video game sources. The majority of these are fine. Anarchyte (work | talk) 11:00, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
  • I imagine its just that no one's gotten around to it. Most of those sources are acceptable, and it's definitely a sentiment covered by a variety of reliable sources elsewhere too, though I don't know if there's much more to say other than "there's less stuff happening in rural areas, and people from rural areas don't like that". Regardless, it'd be a good point to inclusion in the reception section, whether it be a sentence or a paragraph. Sergecross73 msg me 12:15, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
  • This is probably a WP:DUE topic, given the sources. Speaking from personal experience, my wife downloaded the game when it first came out, and basically hasn't played it at all, because it's unplayable here. TimothyJosephWood 12:23, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
  • There used to be a statement about this in the article, but I'm not sure if it's still there. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 00:54, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
    • In the second paragraph of the "Criticism and incidents" section: Players in rural areas also complained about the lack of Pokémon spawns, PokéStops, and gyms in their area. (supported with 3 refs) – Not really sure if there's much more to say beyond this to be honest. Only thing that would expand on this is if it's amended. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 00:57, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
      • Yeah that's it, and adding more sources to that would just be overkill. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 20:37, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
        • Only the first sentence of that paragraph was in the article until I added it. That first sentence was also buried deep in the previous paragraph. —Farix (t | c) 00:18, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
          • If we wanted to add another sentence on this topic, we might clarify the "derived from the portals of Ingress, Niantic's science fiction-themed augmented reality game" to make it clearer that Niantic is not biased against minority neighborhoods and rural areas, but rather the players of Ingress were biased against them. Portals and PokéStops are user-generated content, and it was the users who were biased, not the developer. The quoted source ("There are fewer Pokemon Go locations in black neighborhoods, but why?") already makes this clear, but the Wikipedia article does not. Howrad (talk) 20:35, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Mwillen (talk) 19:46, 19 September 2016 (UTC)This article does little to explain the viewpoint from those who do not live in urban areas. It is biased towards cities and urban areas, focusing mainly on how they are impacted by Pokemon Go.Mwillen (talk) 19:46, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

What are "legendary pokémon"?

In the Technical issues section under the Glitches subsection, it says "Some legendary Pokémon were also obtained by players in a glitch, though they were later removed." I have no idea what this means and I assume most people without intimate knowledge of Pokemon won't either. What are legendary pokemon, how were the obtained and how were they removed? Can someone who understands add more context there? —PermStrump(talk) 06:58, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

  • Not a Pokémon player myself, but those are usually the rare and powerful ones. I'll edit the sentence to better explain it. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 10:43, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Mwillen (talk) 19:50, 19 September 2016 (UTC)This article seems biased toward the younger generation-- the ones who would understand what "legendary pokemon" are. It assumes that many people know about the game or have played the game before. I think the introduction on gaming needs to have a simpler overview of Pokemon Go to fully explain how the game works to those who are unfamiliar with it.Mwillen (talk) 19:50, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

New York sex offenders banned from Pokémon Go!

Pokemon Go's dark side grows! Linkedin reports: "New York sex offenders will be violating parole by even downloading Pokémon Go . . . The rationale (at least for Pokémon Go) is a study which found dozens of pokéstops and gyms within half a city block from 100 registered sex offenders. The game also included lures, which have already been used to bring unsuspecting victims to muggers".[1] Should we include this in the main article? Santamoly (talk) 07:35, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

According to the BBC, it's a bit more specific than that: sex offenders released from state prison while on parole. Interestingly, the government is also apparently working with the developer to incorporate the registered sex offender list with game locations to keep spots from spawning near their homes. TimothyJosephWood 09:45, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Mwillen (talk) 03:17, 20 September 2016 (UTC)Although no incidences are known, the New York Governor has attempted to ban sex offenders on parole from playing Pokemon Go and from using other social media in attempts to protect citizens engaging in such activities.Mwillen (talk) 03:17, 20 September 2016 (UTC) [2]

References

  1. ^ https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/theranos-debuts-new-product-york-paroles-cant-play-pok%C3%A9mon-c-abell
  2. ^ virtanen, michael (August 2, 2016). "Pokemon a no go for sex offenders; New York wants 3,000 banned". lexisnexis. The Associated Press. Retrieved September 19, 2016.

Gameplay section brainstorm

The above discussion on "Proposed split" made me realize: the Reception section is enormous, while the Gameplay section is pretty short. I thought maybe we should start a brainstorm about what topics might be relevant to add to the Gameplay section:

  • Appraise and IVs
  • More details on evolution and candy
  • The defender bonus and more on the meta-game of gym control
  • Pokécoins
  • Incense
  • Razz Berries
  • The different types of Pokéballs and potions
  • Sightings
  • Medals

What else might be relevant? Howrad (talk) 07:13, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

I'm all for improvement, but I'm not sure an expansion including all of those things is a good idea either. Please be mindful of WP:GAMECRUFT and WP:GAMEGUIDE - we're not Gamefaqs, and we're not here to teach people how to play the game. We just give a brief overview of the game's concept, like an encyclopedia entry. I'm not sure writing much (or anything) about "Razz Berries" helps much on the overview level... Sergecross73 msg me 12:58, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
I know it's not a strategy guide. My list was a list of possible ideas, and I encourage people to add more, or talk about why some might not help. I think the single biggest opportunity in the Gameplay section is that right now, the entire section is about the first day of play (for someone in a major metropolitan area, not a rural player). It would be nice to add some information about what high-level players do. Not to serve as a strategy guide for how to become a high-level player, but so that non-players and casual players can understand how serious players spend their time in the game. Howrad (talk) 18:58, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

I think this article is extremely well-written and includes the majority of perspectives. It highlights in my opinion the real benefits of such a popular game. Ezheutlin (talk) 18:24, 20 September 2016 (UTC)emzheuty

Semi-protected edit request on 22 September 2016

Please add in second paragraph of "Community and Cultural Impact" section (directly after citation 163):

A company from the United Kingdom, Bidvine, also offered Pokémon Go trainers the chance to earn money through the game by allowing them to sell their training time[1].

References

  1. ^ We Choose You: How to Be the Very Best Pokémon Go Trainer - Bidvine

Linneascian (talk) 17:53, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Not done: Not covered by a reliable secondary source. Using the primary source Bidvine is essentially promotional. -- ferret (talk) 19:38, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Proposed split

Not split. Consensus is obviously against splitting these sections. Anarchyte (work | talk) 14:03, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I propose that the "Reception" section should be simplified while the more extensive details should be merged into a new article, called "Cultural impact of Pokémon Go", much like "Cultural impact of the Guitar Hero series", "Cultural impact of Star Wars", or these other wikipedia articles. Yoshiman6464 (talk) 04:54, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Oppose - content as it is presented is fine. Despite its evergrowing nature, I'm opposed to splitting it into its own article, because in such an event where the section was simplified, we'd hardly still have an article. And because Pokemon Go is a standalone title, rather than a series of titles, there's not enough possible content (at least not yet) aside from the "Reception" section which would justify why it would need to be split. Maybe in the future, if there are enough more developments, it could have its own article. But as it stands now, I cannot support at this time. —Mythdon 05:41, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
Slight oppose - those articles you linked have multiple games and films in their franchises and have lasted for a decade or more. Pokémon Go is just one single app that was only really a fad for a few weeks. On the other hand, the reception section is pretty lengthy, and articles such as the Development of Grand Theft Auto V exist. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 05:49, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Partially because I generally find those spin-outs unnecessary, and partially because it's still too soon to grasp just how it'll affect culture. It's only been out a couple months...I mean, did they split out the Cultural Effect article 2 months after the release of Guitar Hero 1? Did we know the effect of Star Wars 2 months after the first movie in the 70s? Sergecross73 msg me 01:42, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose - the page is sitting on 34kb readable prose. We can go up to 50kb before we really need to revisit a split. Keeping it together keeps it cohesive for now. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:49, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
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I don't think information about the UWP client is WP:UNDUE

UWP is the Universal Windows Platform which allows the game to be played on Windows 10 phones. I know it is an unofficial client but there is a whole section devoted to third-party applications, so I figured I would add it... it got undone while I was in the process of editing more, with the justification of WP:UNDUE. Windows Phone is admittedly small market share but still affects a lot of people. One thing that is true is you may be banned for using an unofficial client, but it's the only option available for Windows Phone users right now. I know I need more secondary sources and I was working on that. For example: http://www.businessinsider.com/pokemon-go-for-windows-10-2016-8

It's not a cheat version either, it's designed to make the game accessible to more people.

Instead of undoing the undo I thought I would post here because I'm not an experienced editor and need help to know if I'm way off base or not. Thank you. Charlesmartin82 (talk) 06:07, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

I undid that addition because it only had a link to github as its source. If a secondary source is added for support and there is consensus for its inclusion, then I'd have no problem with it. I'd still keep that information out of the infobox though. _dk (talk) 08:43, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
We only include official platforms in the infobox, so this wouldn't belong even if you had better sources. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 01:02, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

How many players ?

Is information , how many players are online now , available for public ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.87.7.132 (talk) 14:17, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 October 2016


666 Anonymous666 6 6 6 (talk) 17:32, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Marianna251TALK 17:38, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Not the traditional definition of "Augmented Reality"

See archived section Talk:Pokémon Go/Archive 3#Genres besides Augmented Reality. The inclusion of the block of content Howrad added does not appear to line up with the previous discussion. Several editors notes that the major of reliable sources do not back the content Howrad wants added, but the text included even said "Most sources admit its not really AR." This was a big block of mostly OR backed by two outlier sources. -- ferret (talk) 19:19, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

@Ferret:@Meatsgains:Why do you think this doesn't belong in the article, or has undue weight? These are points that the general public is not very familiar with, and I think it's important to instruct them. The screenshots you removed also served to demonstrate the points. I can edit to reduce word count, but the current version doesn't actually make any sense. You put together two opposite views held by different experts. And Ferret claims that's there's only one primary source, but I included five.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Howrad (talk • contribs) 19:23, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
As I noted, I believe the previous discussion makes clear why in-depth inclusion was inappropriate. When I said there was only a primary source, I was referring specifically to the first paragraph that I removed as OR. I'm aware that the second paragraph was sourced differently. -- ferret (talk) 19:33, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
@Ferret:Oh, sorry, I think I did my footnotes in a confusing way. The 4 footnotes at the end of the section applied to the entire section, not just the second paragraph. It was not original research, but a synthesis of 5 sources. I will rewrite to make it clearer and shorter. Howrad (talk) 19:37, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

@Howrad: Here are some of the issue. I hate to have to point by point this but since you're claiming its all sourced... 

"Most experts in gaming and augmented reality agree that even though the developers market Pokémon Go as an augmented reality game, it contains some but not all aspects of an augmented reality game, and the primary genre is better described as a location-based game or a pervasive game."

You say "Most experts". What experts? What source is backing "most experts" agree about this? Most reliable sources say augmented reality game, even if they also attach additional genres like location-based. 

"The majority of players turn AR mode off, because it makes the game easier and increases battery life, and are therefore not experiencing augmented reality at all."

None of your sources make these claims. Hence, it's OR. None of them support that the game is easier or increases battery life with AR off (Though I agree it does), nor do they claim the majority of players do this. 

"Some subject-matter experts respond that calling Pokémon Go augmented reality really has nothing to do with the camera augmentation. They say that the augmentation happens in the brain, not in the technology."

Only one source even mentions brain, and doesn't support how this is worded. In fact it would seem to counter this statement...

And so on. Finally, at least two of these sources, roadtovr and uploadvr, may not be reliable sources by Wikipedia standards. -- ferret (talk) 21:17, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

The title of the section is too long and unorthodox for normal articles, so either this should be merged in somewhere else or removed entirely. EDIT: I would just remove this entirely, as this is the same user who tried to add the same sources some ways back, as he seems to have a constant agenda regarding the inclusion of them. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:22, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
My position is to remove. I linked the last discussion from the archive at the top of this discussion. It's full of OR, backed by a primary source that is being synthesized (A no no), 2 unreliables, and 2 reliables that don't fully support the content. Mostly OR to discuss a fringe genre element. -- ferret (talk) 21:26, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
I just removed more outright OR claims, and added citation needed tags to whatever was left unsourced, but I wouldn't mind this being removed entirely. At the very least, it should be kept it to a single sentence or two, as some of the sources used are reliable. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:29, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
I think I'm just going to continue to remove this unless @Howrad: provides better sources and writing. All he has been doing, even in the past, is pasting the same statements with only minor edits to the wording. This is only a fringe opinion shared by very few (reliable) sources, so does it really need to be in the article anyway? A single sentence can have the same info without taking up an entire sub-section and/or paragraph. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 00:27, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
I originally trimmed the content citing WP:UNDUE, having not looked closely at the sources. I would have removed the entire section but I respected the user's bold contribution and new additional editors would chime in to help out. Needless to say, the section should stay off the page for the reasons already noted above. Meatsgains (talk) 00:37, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
I can assure you that this is not a fringe opinion. If you were to question 100 experts on augmented reality, at least 90 of them would say that Pokémon Go does not fit the traditional definition of augmented reality... possibly all 100 would agree. You'd find similar results if you questioned experts in location-based games and pervasive gaming, though they might be slightly more inclined to call it augmented reality. I'm sorry that there aren't that many experts writing about this in reliable sources, and so this makes it really tough for me to prove, but I think Scientific American should be a reliable enough source to demonstrate that this content has a place in this article. In an article about physics for instance, what's more important -- the writings of the popular press, or the writings of academic experts? In the future, hopefully I will be able to find academic journal articles supporting my claims. Howrad (talk) 20:49, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
We're not discussing whether or not the content you attempted to add was true or not because IMHO, it probably is, but it needs to be verified in reliable sources. That is the problem we are facing. Meatsgains (talk) 00:58, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
They may be experts in academia, but they are not in gaming, which is what your claim stated. And like I said, this can be properly explained with a single sentence or two, an entire subsection regarding it when only one true reliable source stated it is overkill. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:57, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

The basic claim I'm trying to make is that 2 months ago, before the release of Pokémon GO, people would have described the game as a pervasive game or a location-based game with light elements of augmented reality (and many people prefer to turn off the AR). This new definition of an augmented reality game, if it lasts, is a major change in the definition. My personal opinion is that it's a misuse of the definition by people who don't understand, but I know that definitions can change, and a misused definition can become the new standard definition if enough people use it.

Does anyone believe that, if I find sources to prove this claim, it still does not belong in this article? Reliable sources to prove this are hard to find, but I'm going to try a new angle and get opinions from other editors. I found a PhD thesis about pervasive games from March 2016 written by an academic expert in gaming. It describes Pokémon GO as a pervasive game, describes other augmented reality games, but does not describe Pokémon GO as an augmented reality game:

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Vlasios_Kasapakis/publication/303283809_Pervasive_Role_Playing_Games_Design_Development_and_Evaluation_of_a_Research_Prototype/links/573af8dd08ae9ace840e6c4f.pdf

Does this kind of source help establish my claim that it's a new definition? Should I be looking for more of this? Thanks for everyone's input. Howrad (talk) 08:52, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

You keep using phrases like "I believe", "My personal opinion", "I synthesized", "Reliable sources to prove is hard to find".... That's everything that's wrong with trying to get these edits in. Please re-read WP:V, WP:N and WP:OR. I think the article already covers that Pokemon Go fits several genre descriptions. If the majority of reliable sources are saying augmented reality, then that's the lead genre even if it doesn't quite fit as a black and white definition. -- ferret (talk) 10:16, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
A month ago, when I started trying to get these edits in, I was a relative newbie to Wikipedia editing, and didn't really understand the policies. I tried to reach too far, changing the genre in the info box without discussing, and made lots of mistakes. I'm sorry. I was a newbie, and I didn't understand. I am now not trying to change the info box genre, but trying to add additional balanced information. WP:OR says "This policy of no original research does not apply to talk pages," so it should not be a problem for me to express opinions and present OR on this talk page.
I do not think that the article already sufficiently covers that Pokémon Go fits several genre descriptions. It uses "location-based" once in the first sentence, and the categories at the bottom include "Location-based games" and "Pervasive games." That's it! That's not enough to cover the extremely complex situation. The article is currently ignoring the historical definition of "augmented reality game," ignoring that the game is easier and drains less battery if you turn off AR mode, and not even mentioning the disagreement about what to call the game's genre. Howrad (talk) 20:49, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

I found two new sources. The first is from earlier (July 21) but for some reason I just didn't find it before: http://undark.org/2016/07/21/pokemon-go-isnt-augmented-reality-thats-okay/ It quotes several AR experts who express doubt about whether Pokémon Go is really augmented reality. One of them says, "Some of my colleagues would roll their eyes, but I would say this is AR. It is just a really weak form of it." It also covers Ronald Azuma's 1997 definition of AR.

The second source is from August 19: http://thenextweb.com/insider/2016/08/19/augmented-reality-love-letter-pokemon-go/ It is written by an expert in AR gaming, and includes this statement: "But what I do want to do is tell you all the other things AR can and will do – because Pokémon Go actually touches on only one main category of mobile augmented reality, and there is so much more. You may be surprised the world's hottest mobile game is running on eight year old AR technology – but that's the truth." Howrad (talk) 17:52, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Ignoring whether those sources are reliable (Never heard of either), it doesn't seem to support your arguments. Both statements you quoted ultimately say (However limited) that Pokemon Go is AR. -- ferret (talk) 18:18, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
Ah, then you're misunderstanding my arguments. My basic points are:
  • A very large number of experts in AR say that Pokémon GO is not AR (this is why "some of my colleagues would roll their eyes")
  • The remaining experts in AR generally say that Pokémon GO is "a really weak form of" AR
  • Lots of players turn AR mode off because it makes the game easier and increases battery life (based on OR, it's higher than 90%, but I know that we can't use OR)
  • Before the release of Pokémon GO, academic experts in pervasive gaming called the genre of the upcoming game "pervasive" or "location-based," and not "augmented reality." The PhD thesis I found earlier demonstrates this. The first article I quoted today also includes this: 'And he added that the app could become so associated with AR that it "becomes the de facto definition."' This supports my arguments that there's a definition change in progress. Howrad (talk) 19:41, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

A new article on this topic came out today: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2016-09-13-there-is-a-formula-to-pokemon-gos-success-but-its-not-ar This is now the clearest and most complete article on the topic I'm trying to add, and addresses most of the points I have tried to make in the past. Please read it. Howrad (talk) 20:34, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

The article just says (in their opinion) that AR was not the reason Go became so popular, so what should we be looking for? And is this a reliable source to begin with? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 00:06, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
Gamesindustry.biz is an RS per WP:VG/RS. The 7th paragraph, under the section "Augmented-Reality will have its day, but Pokemon Go isn't it", covers many of the additions Howrad wants, including claiming its not really AR, that most users turn off AR to save battery, etc. -- ferret (talk) 01:08, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, @Ferret:. So now that I have one very solid RS, and 8 back-up sources that say similar things, this is what I propose doing. I know some of these edits are going to be more controversial than others, so I wanted to discuss them all first on talk before I do any of them:
1) In the infobox, change genres to "Augmented reality, location-based game, pervasive game," to reflect that it doesn't fit in any one category, and there is disagreement
2) Change the first sentence to "a free-to-play, location-based pervasive augmented reality game" (adding the word pervasive)
3) Add one sentence to the lead about how lots of experts in gaming and AR say that it's not really AR, but the popular press calls it AR
4) Add 2 or 3 sentences somewhere else (I'm not sure where yet, and am open to suggestions) about why experts say it's not really AR, about how most users turn off AR to save battery, and about how, as that new article says "the Key Innovation in Pokemon Go is Location-Based Gaming" Howrad (talk) 06:40, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Considering other editors have already cited concerns that your sources don't represent the changes you want to make, you'll probably want to identify which sources back which statements in particular... Sergecross73 msg me 13:08, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
My most important and reliable sources are:
Additional sources that don't really add any new concepts, but may serve to reinforce that this is not a minority view among experts in AR and experts in game development:
It has been 4 days with no responses. Does this mean there are no objections to my proposed changes? Howrad (talk) 06:16, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
Lack of activity does not mean consensus by default. People need time to actually see which of these links you provided actual pass as reliable sources, and despite that, the info does not belong in the lead/infobox, but in the reception section instead. Not sure why you have such an agenda to reflect what the "non-popular press" calls the game, as it's overwhelmingly just called AR by the media. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 00:25, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
@Dissident93:, my plan and sources have been posted here since September 15 (for 12 days), and nobody objected. The reason I have an agenda is because there is such a large disagreement between the popular press and the expert press. The average visitor who comes to this page to learn about Pokémon GO and about augmented reality should know that experts do not call it an AR game. I think the best Wikipedia comparison is the Theory article, where the lead dispels a common misconception by including: Howrad (talk) 00:54, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge, in contrast to more common uses of the word "theory" that imply that something is unproven or speculative (which is better characterized by the word 'hypothesis').

You keep calling them "experts" but the majority of what you post are fringe articles by unreliable sources. Until you can find more than one reliable source, this will be considered WP:UNDUE and does not need inclusion in the article, outside of maybe a single sentence or two. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 00:58, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

I think @Ferret: may disagree with you, based on his September 14 post. See a few lines up where I wrote "My most important and reliable sources are" for 4 very reliable sources. The first one in particular, from gamesindustry.biz, is not one expert's opinion, but a summary of findings written by EEDAR, a games industry research group. Howrad (talk) 01:14, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
I don't disagree with Dissident93, to be clear. Of the references above though, gamesindustry.biz and venturebeat.com are the only ones I would say are reliable sources. It deserves, at best, a one or two sentence mention in the reception section, as Dissident93 has stated. "Some experts note that Pokemon Go does not represent augmented reality, but location based gaming." or some sort. Nothing further is really necessary. -- ferret (talk) 01:21, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
Where in the reception section do you suggest? Because I'm not sure if this information really belongs in any of the existing sub-sections: Critical response, Downloads and revenue, Community and cultural impact, Criticism and incidents, or Third-party apps and websites. Howrad (talk) 01:32, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

@Dissident93: I think you're removing "pervasive game" from the infobox and the lead because, as you asked in the edit summary "what's the difference between these two?" As it says in the Location-based game article, "a location-based game is a type of pervasive game." So I can understand the confusion. But the pervasive game article also mentions several categories of games that are not location-based, such as mixed reality, alternate reality, virtual reality, smart toys, and augmented reality tabletop games. Or do you think it's a problem to list two different genres when one is a sub-genre of the other? Howrad (talk) 07:23, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Also, to get a little more specific, there exist location-based games that are not pervasive games, such as Toy Story Midway Mania. So a location-based game is not automatically a pervasive game. Howrad (talk) 07:28, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
Do any of the reliable sources (which is still in question) call it this? Even if they did, its still WP:UNDUE to add fringe genres because a couple of sources called it one. "Location-based game" is fine, since that wouldn't be debated by anybody. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 19:29, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 November 2016

{{Hey can you edit the region availability? the game has been released in Kuwait, Bahrain, Oman and the United Arab Emirates in 4 of November 2016 and I have already picked the color for those countries

  1. 0048BA}}

{{subst:^|Write your request ABOVE this line and do not remove the tildes and curly brackets below.

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - Mlpearc (open channel) 20:41, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Awards section.

Will there be an Awards section for this article? There should be a couple of awards put in place on the article. BAFTA will be holding their awards ceremony on November 26-28.

Zacharyalejandro (talk) 20:24, 7 November 2016 (UTC)Zacharyalejandro

  • Not until it wins, or is at least nominated for some. Even still, this could easily go into the legacy section instead, no need to add to the subsection bloat. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 01:25, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

OpenStreetMap and Pokemon Go

In google search there is a lot of views, as openstreetmap pokemon go. Why in the article there aren't any informations about OpenStreetMap? Dawid2009 (talk) 13:28, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

  • All I see are links to Reddit, a Wiki, and other unreliable websites. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 13:36, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Separate section for Awards.

Could we have a separate section for Awards underneath the Downloads and Revenue? Zacharyalejandro (talk) 18:18, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Go for it. -- ferret (talk) 18:19, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. I'll do what I can. Zacharyalejandro (talk) 18:22, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 February 2017

Aprilgreen2017 (talk) 19:54, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

In United States, Jiansheng Chen was shot to death by a security guard at the community he lived, on January 26, 2017.[1] Chen was playing Pokémon Go in a minivan parked by the community clubhouse when the security guard shot him 6 times.[2]

According to a notice given to the residents by River Walk community, the contract for the patrol services is supposed to be unarmed patrolling. It is not clear why the security guard was armed.

On Monday February 6, 2017, Andrew Sacks, an attorney represents Citywide Protection Services, the employer of the security guard who shot Chen, held a news conference. According to Sacks, Chen repeatedly tried to hit the guard with his van, then the guard fired “in reasonable fear for his life and safety”. However, Sacks' statement raise many doubts to people in concerning the case of "shooting of Jiansheng Chen".

According to Greg Sandler, an attorney of Chen's family, Chen was playing “Pokemon Go” at the time when he was shot.[3] Police said the guard fired through the vehicle's windows,[4] so it remains to be seen that if Jiansheng Chen was really "tried to hit the security guard" like the security company's lawyer stated.

References

  1. ^ "60-year-old grandfather killed by security guard while playing Pokemon Go: lawyer". NBC News. Retrieved 2017-02-07.
  2. ^ "60-year-old grandfather killed by security guard while playing Pokemon Go: lawyer". NBC News. Retrieved 2017-02-07.
  3. ^ "Chesapeake man killed by security guard was playing "Pokémon Go," says family's lawyer". The Virginian Pilot.
  4. ^ "Security guard who killed 60-year-old Chesapeake man acted in self defense, attorney says". The Virginian Pilot.
Not done: This content and the related article are currently subject of both a merge discussion and an AFD. I don't think this content should be added here, it's far too much information for a single event mostly sourced to local news. -- ferret (talk) 19:56, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Jiansheng Chen

Seems to be notable only for this incident. This might be worth a mention here. Adam9007 (talk) 18:07, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

  • Don't merge, delete Jiansheng Chen WP:NOTNEWS. Should just send this to AFD, or even CSD A7 (As I don't see any real claim of importance) -- ferret (talk) 18:16, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
I requested speedy deletion but was declined by Adam9007. I favour deletion as well so maybe should be nominated for AFD. AusLondonder (talk) 18:46, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
Could this be suitable for Wikinews instead? Adam9007 (talk) 18:47, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
I agree with deletion as well, it does not meet WP:GNG as a standalone article. Not sure about Wikinews guidelines, so I can't provide input on that aspect. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 19:01, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Was it merged only because the incident had Pokémon Go mentioned? I think it actually deserves its own page as it is likely to evolve to something like the shooting of Trayvon Martin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SlowSuperMom (talk • contribs) 19:12, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

That's pure conjecture, unless you have any sources at all it up. -- ferret (talk) 19:26, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
  • Note at this point it does not even mention the game. The one source on the article, does not mention the game so I have removed it. (not watching if you want me to reply to anything here ping me) - GB fan 19:38, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
  • I'm boldly removing the merger tag. It appears that Jiansheng Chen will not survive AFD, but the near identical Shooting of Jiansheng Chen will. However, there's no real connection between the event and the game. Chen was playing it, but there's no suggestion that he was shot because of it: He just happened to be playing it, in his own neighborhood. We would not add him to the Candy Crush article if he happened to have been playing that instead. -- ferret (talk) 14:13, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

New countries

Pokemon Go just became available in Bahrain, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates. See the official Facebook announcement. — Gestrid (talk) 23:27, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Added to the article, but somebody else needs to handle the color coding on the map. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 00:30, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
That's why I posted here. — Gestrid (talk) 01:39, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 Done Molecule Extraction (talk) 01:58, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Pokemon Go is now available in India, Pakistan, Nepal, Bhutan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. Arujuhu (talk) 09:44, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

You can requesting directly here on Graphics Lab. Sorry. I can't continue colouring maps at the moment as I'm not with my computer since late October where most of my editing tools are there. Molecule Extraction (talk) 10:52, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 On hold Already put a request there. Now waiting any graphic editors to respond. ^^ Molecule Extraction (talk) 09:27, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 Done by Tsange. Molecule Extraction (talk) 14:36, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Pokemon Go is released in South Korea. Gitbi (talk) 02:48, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

@Gitbi: Ok, already leaving a request there on Graphics Lab, now waiting for any graphicist to respond. Molecule Extraction (talk) 06:48, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Gitbi. Molecule Extraction (talk) 17:00, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Article could use a technology section

There is limited information about the augmented reality technology used with Pokeman Go. The game play section includes this info:

When a player encounters a Pokémon, they may view it either in augmented reality (AR) mode or with a live rendered, generic background. AR mode uses the camera and gyroscope on the player's mobile device to display an image of a Pokémon as though it were in the real world.

The only other info related to the technology is a link to the augmented reality article. I think the article would benefit from a Technology section with more info about how augmented reality works. For example, info could include how the app knows where to position the Pokémon including depth perception and how it knows where to position the Pokémon when the mobile device's camera turns. Here's an article that teases at some of the info that could be added. https://www.bustle.com/articles/172317-how-does-pokemon-go-work-heres-everything-we-know-about-the-tech-behind-the-augmented-reality Anyone object to me creating a technology section with some bare info, and marking it as needing improvement? Timtempleton (talk) 00:55, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

A minor summary about it wouldn't hurt, but I object to a full technology section. Any reader curious to know more about AR can simply click read about it on its own article, as are the whole purpose of wikilinks. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 08:33, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
There's not much info on Wikipedia - primarily this Augmented_reality#Software_and_algorithms. Maybe then a short technology section with a quick summary and a reference to this main article? Timtempleton (talk) 20:37, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
What I'm saying is that the AR article itself should be expanded with the info, not this one. A short summary here is fine, however, but anything more than a paragraph would be too much, I would think. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 11:27, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Agreed, but I'm not an expert on the field. Am doing a little research, but the goal would be to add info here about how the technology is specifically used for this platform, which because of the proprietary software may not be exactly the same as other A/R platforms. Timtempleton (talk) 17:51, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Game Play Section Critique

Hello!

It feels as if some parts to the gameplay section can be improved.

  1. The lead section is worded in such a way that it can mislead to readers to thnk that you can "battle" Pokemon in the wild.
  2. The Gameplay section forgets to mention that PokeStops also give XP in addition to various items. It also says that various amounts of candy is offered upon capture, but that number is always 3.
  3. This section also states that the ultimate goal of the game is to complete the Pokedex by collecting all the Pokemon - that statement is false... this could probably be a whole new section entirely on styles of play (collectors (people who want to finish their Pokedex), gymmers (peoplewho want to help their team capture the most gyms possible), trainers (people who collect and raise strong pokemon for the sake of battling), etc.)
  4. There's also the small paragraph in regards to in-app purchases. The formatting isn't consistent when it comes to listing the item and describing its use. The section also fails to mention the ability to purchase incubators and addition storage slots. The writer also jumps from talking about the store to the topic of Combat Power in just a single paragraph.
  5. There's a section describing Buddy Pokemon and being able to receive "rewards and bonuses" but all you get is candy for walking a certain distance... there are no other bonuses.

Thanks for considering these edits!

ATran34614 (talk) 03:09, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

I agree with all of these proposals. I think that your proposal #3 is probably the most important, but it's also going to be the most open-ended, and the most controversial in terms of finding sources. Howrad (talk) 20:16, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
The majority of this article was written during the app's heyday, a lot of the stuff was badly written or outdated even then. I haven't actually played the game myself, so I can't verify the fixes you proposed, so some other editor would probably have to implement these. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 13:40, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
I can start writing it, as long as people don't immediately start deleting it for being unsourced original research. As I said before, sources are going to be hard to find for a lot of this. I would write it based on what I know from months of playing the game and reading about it, not by finding sources directly. Once written, we could all go back collectively and find sources. Is that acceptable? Howrad (talk) 06:05, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
"I would write it based on what I know from months of playing the game and reading about it, not by finding sources directly." and this is exactly why your edits get removed. Info added needs to be verified by reliable sources, and can't just be stuff that "you know to be true", which serves as WP:OR. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 12:26, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

how many players ?

After some time , has someone SERIOUS count of ACTIVE players right NOW ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.98.1.158 (talk) 09:42, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Do we have to update player count after every week or something? If it's not reported on by a good source, then it probably isn't that important to mention here. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 12:27, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Health benefits of Pokemon Go

In a recent study, the health benefits of Pokémon Go were described, concluding that it leads to substantial short-term activity increases; according to this study, Pokémon Go has added a total of 144 billion steps to US physical activity.[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.75.165.69 (talk) 20:04, 13 December 2016‎ (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Althoff, T; White, RW; Horvitz, E (6 December 2016). "Influence of Pokémon Go on Physical Activity: Study and Implications". Journal of medical Internet research. 18 (12): e315. PMID 27923778.

When you search for Pokémon you are required to move around which can be an exercise but can help people to be more aware of things around them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.31.14.163 (talk) 19:50, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Capitalization

You do know that this game is actually called Pokémon GO with GO and not Go, right? --Sabelöga (talk) 13:08, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Yes, we do. Despite how it is stylized though, we have guidelines for trademarks, at MOS:TMRULES. -- ferret (talk) 13:25, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Update?

What happened to the mention of the player-vs-player update? Zacharyalejandro (talk) 01:33, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Augmented reality query.

Hey guys. Is it OK to regard Snapchat, Facebook and other photo filters as innovations of Augmented reality? Thanks. Jamal Millwood (talk) 07:33, 22 June 2017 (UTC) 

Jamal Millwood (talk) 07:33, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Unless sources are also claiming this, no. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 07:35, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 July 2017

Please move the "All Pokémon are displayed with a combat power. A Pokémon's combat power is a rough measure of how powerful that Pokémon is in battle. Generally, as players level up, they catch Pokémon with higher CP." Line to the paragrapg above as it does not belong in the paragraph it is currently in. BuddyIsKewl (talk) 21:41, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 22:19, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Add Raid Battles to the Article

- Hyperakt1v (talk) 13:24, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 July 2017

Pratik KUMAR Ghadei 2405:205:B004:D268:0:0:2296:50A0 (talk) 12:27, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Anarchyte (work | talk) 12:29, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 September 2017

I will edit this article for good. 47.15.15.183 (talk) 03:37, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. SparklingPessimist Scream at me! 03:49, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2017

add the following to the Infobox 136.24.104.142 (talk) 15:23, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. -- ferret (talk) 15:29, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2017

add the following to the Infobox director 

Tatsuo Nomura https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%87%8E%E6%9D%91%E9%81%94%E9%9B%84

citation 

https://nintendosoup.com/nomura-tatsuo-releases-pokemon-go-autobiography-japan/
https://asia.nikkei.com/magazine/20170511/Difference-Makers/Pokemon-Go-developer-s-rags-to-riches-story 136.24.104.142 (talk) 15:33, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
Sources contradict. Nintendosoup is not reliable, but seems to be translating Japanese into "game director". Nikkei is reliable but never says "director", instead using "Developer" and lead developer. Could maybe be added to the Programmer field. -- ferret (talk) 15:43, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. From the Nikkei article, it seems that Nomura is the lead developer for the Apple Watch version, not for Niantic Lab's overall game. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:30, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Here is a post from Niantic's official facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/nianticlabs/posts/632706573556944 "Niantic's Tatsuo Nomura, Game Director and Product Manager for Pokémon GO, will be speaking at the Spikes Asia Festival of Creativity this Friday, September 23rd, in Singapore: https://www.spikes.asia/home/ Nomura will talk about working on Pokémon GO and share behind the scene stories for the first time. Many may recognize some of his more famous works from his time as part of the Google Maps team where he created a series of April Fools' Day projects including 8-bit maps, the Google Maps Pokémon Challenge, and the PAC-MAN Ingress video as well."

And here is an interview footage from the event mentioned in the blog post: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMKHOEgg0cY

Also there is an interview footage from BBC. http://www.bbc.com/news/av/business-38139961/pokemon-go-where-did-the-idea-come-from

He is listed as the director in ja.wikipedia as well https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pokemon_GO

Done: Used an official Google+ post instead for convenience and the Nikkei article for the April Fools Challenge citation.

OpenStreetMap

Please add that in December 2017, Pokemon Go began using the OpenStreetMap data to show its ingame maps.[1] An appropriate location to add this may be the "development" section.

Thank you. --122.108.141.214 (talk) 06:01, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Done, though since I’m not sure they changed the spawn data I’ll keep Google Maps there as well. Juxlos (talk) 10:54, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

  1. ^ http://www.ibtimes.com/pokemon-go-map-updated-osm-google-maps-what-openstreetmap-2622624
Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Winged Blades Godric 15:42, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
Why would this need consensus? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 19:30, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
Plus it was already done. -- ferret (talk) 14:27, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks everyone. On further research, https://mic.com/articles/166880/pokemon-go-openstreetmap-hack-osm-updates-seem-to-alter-the-game-but-is-it-cheating#.3VeYWF975 asserts that players have found since January 2017 that altering OSM can affect Pokemon spawns after some lag time. Is Mic.com considered a RS? Is this relevant to the article? --122.108.141.214 (talk) 23:54, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

A primary source, but OSM “admitted” Pokémon Go “might be” using their data for spawns as well.
https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2016/12/30/tips-pokemon-go/
Juxlos (talk) 02:04, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Needs updating

There is some outdated language like referring to the object of the game being to obtain the original 151 Pokemon, when it has now been expanded significantly. I don't have references/details to update it properly but we might be good to link to List_of_Pokémon and include what is now available. There also seem to have been some very recent changes to gameplay that may be worth noting, separately from additional Pokemon, weather tracking and related bonuses, etc. Phil (talk) 19:28, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

We don't need to list the exact number of Pokemon that can be found, so that could be generalized and not need a source. However, for any gameplay features that didn't exist at launch, a source is needed to verify them. If you can provide them (I don't play the game and am not sure what is new or not), I could add them to the article. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:09, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
I've added some information on it. Eurogamer is good enough, I assume? Juxlos (talk) 10:26, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 28 December 2017

1.186.207.134 (talk) 07:40, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.  shivam (t) 07:56, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Original Japanese Katakana

The first line of the article should include (ポケモン ゴー) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.225.15.47 (talk) 00:55, 28 December 2017‎ (UTC)

Not a Japanese game (Developed and published by Niantic), so we wouldn't include it typically. -- ferret (talk) 01:39, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
And even if it was, per WP:JFN it would still not be shown. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 09:11, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Development Updates

While this article is still being updated, I thought now would be a good time to ask this. Details on the game's ongoing updates and changes (such as new Pokémon, new features, etc.) seem to be added to both the Gameplay and Development sections of the article. Would it be necessary to put them together in just one of the two sections, and add any missing major update details? (Properly sourced, of course!) GloverMist (talk) 21:31, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Third-party services

Hello all,

For a class assignment I need to contribute to a Wikipedia article and I chose Pokemon Go because I play it daily. I wanted to make a proposal in the article to include gameplay cheating in contexts of using third-party apps to locate pokemon in the game as well as spoofing, i.e your lying about your real location. Players being banned from the Pokemon Go! app is also a topic of discussion that could be under the Third-Party Services category.

Thanks for your time! Rogersjl6 (talk) 23:30, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

That subsection is indeed missing yeah. You can mention the use of bots as well. Locators are already mentioned in the ===Third-party services===. Try not to list too much though since at its peak this topic was covered by half of all newspapers on the planet or something.

Juxlos (talk) 23:45, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Research tasks - new feature

Could the following please be added to the article? :


In March 2018, a new feature was announced, called "Research" - where the player is given tasks to complete and this will unlock story-based events. In addition, the pokemon Mew was added to the game.[1][2]


Thank you! --122.108.141.214 (talk) 04:17, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

  •  Not done Let’s add it after it is released on the 30th. Juxlos (talk) 04:46, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 Not done for now: Change pending March 30, 2018, per Juxlos. Spintendo      04:50, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
Hm, why? It's not misleading to say that it's been announced... --122.108.141.214 (talk) 04:57, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Easier to say “it’s been released” than to say “it’s been announced” and change it later. Plus for all we know it might get delayed because reasons. Juxlos (talk) 08:01, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Aaaand  Done. Speaking of which, the gameplay screenshot is now somewhat inaccurate. Juxlos (talk) 23:35, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "NEW RESEARCH FEATURE LEADS TO DISCOVERING THE MYTHICAL POKÉMON MEW IN POKÉMON GO - Niantic". Niantic (Press release). March 26, 2018. Retrieved 27 March 2018.
  2. ^ "Research Mew in Pokémon GO! | Pokemon.com". www.pokemon.com (Press release). March 26, 2018. Retrieved 27 March 2018.

Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2018

Change Pokémon Go is a free-to-play, location-based augmented reality game developed by Niantic for iOS and Android devices. to Pokémon Go (stylized Pokémon GO) is a free-to-play, location-based augmented reality game developed by Niantic for iOS and Android devices. 204.92.63.42 (talk) 18:35, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

  • Shouldn’t this warrant a page move? Juxlos (talk) 19:23, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 Not done for now: It would warrant a page move however, the capitalization had already been changed in the past and reverted per MOS:CAMELCASE. If you really feel the need you can request consensus for a move in a new section with the {{requested move/dated|Pokémon GO}} template. From what I could tell from the first 3 pages of Google results, it's about 50/50. — IVORK Discuss 23:09, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
Per the display in AppStore and the official website, it’s GO. Juxlos (talk) 23:35, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Stylization

Looks like it continues to be written "Pokémon GO", with uppercase GO, on official websites and channels. It's only the title attribute of the homepage what reads Go. --Johans (talk) 15:18, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

  • "only words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia." per WP:MOSCAPS. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 16:33, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

it seems to have lost popularity

i never hear of it in norway anymore so maybe something about declining popularity should be added.84.212.111.156 (talk) 10:53, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Usage of the game peaked on July 15, and by mid September, had lost 79% of its players. Forbes said "the vaguely curious stopped playing and the more committed players ran up against a fairly unsatisfying endgame"
You’re about 20 months late Juxlos (talk) 13:02, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Go or GO

I am a little confused, since official site use GO rather than Go.ReignBough (talk) 02:01, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

@ReignBough: See MOS:TMRULES. "Use: Time, Kiss, Asus, Sony Mobile. Avoid: TIME, KISS, ASUS, SONY Mobile". That goes for "GO" in this case, too. Anarchyte (work | talk) 07:29, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 August 2018

I propose the addition of a simple table to chart the Pokemon Go Community Day events, detailing the month, date, Pokemon involved and the special move that the pokemon could learn during this event.

This would be included under the "Community" section MrPaperwings (talk) 11:25, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Danski454 (talk) 12:03, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
I think the change is obviously stated. Anyways, since the event is held every month I don't think it's going to be viable to do so. Juxlos (talk) 12:30, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Article title

Can the title of this article please be changed to Pokémon GO? SportsFan007 (talk) 02:22, 19 November 2018 (UTC)SportsFan007

Fix the map, and use a different color for Russia on "release dates" in the global availability map. (My opinion)

When I looked in the map, I saw that Gambia is included in the "available regions" roster, but Gambia is not highlighted in the color of the West African countries, and it's Senegal, the country which surrounds it. Correct this error. Also, Pokémon GO was released in NOT all of Latin America, because it is not available in only one country: Cuba. If you have any doubts on this, please notify. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uhijbkbg099 (talk • contribs) 03:13, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2019

http://gopokemongo.ru/pokemon-go-ofitsialno-vyishla-v-rossii.html Since the 11th September 2018 Pokémon GO is available in Russia, that's what I want to be added in the releases section. Ebrilo (talk) 12:23, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

 Not done The Russian release is already mentioned in the article and map has been updated. Juxlos (talk) 13:09, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Pokemon

We should include the Pokemon themselves and how to evolve and catch them right? Porygon-Z (talk) 20:16, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Hey Porygon-Z. Wikipedia tries to cover topics in a concise general overview, similar to print encyclopedias, and isn't necessarily the correct place for exhaustive guides that cover every possible aspect of a subject. This type of information is usually better suited to thematically dedicated wikis rather than Wikipedia. GMGtalk 20:20, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Well, hi there GMGtalk. I like what you're saying,and I understand. But there's two problems. 1. What if the other Wikis are blocked by a school? 2. What if people need to know how to evolve Pokemon but don't know how to do it and other sources don't tell them exactly or they are confused about it? At least Wikipedia can update its sources if that makes sense. Porygon-Z (talk) 19:51, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
That a school might block various sites is not Wikipedia's job to remedy. School's also block Wikipedia. WP:GAMEGUIDE material doesn't belong here, but on Wikia/Fandom/Gamepedia, etc. See WP:VGSCOPE for examples of material we do not include on Wikipedia video game articles. -- ferret (talk) 20:02, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
I'm on a school computer as I am typing this. I'm just saying that I think we should put as much as we can into Wikipedia. It is a Wiki encyclopedia after all, right? And number 3 on the inappropriate list doesn't make sense because if I want to explain the controls of a game, that is both helping them and technically explaining button controls and "cheating". I want to help people understand how to evolve Pokemon, not explain the button process on how to do so. Porygon-Z (talk) 20:23, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
Appreciate your view point here, but it's still against Wikipedia's goals and policies. Encyclopedia's are not an indiscriminate collection of all information. -- ferret (talk) 20:33, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
Then what can I do? Porygon-Z (talk) 20:47, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
You can edit the Pokemon Go wikia. -- ferret (talk) 20:50, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
So I can't make a list of how to evolve Pokemon in Pokemon go? Porygon-Z (talk) 20:55, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
To be direct and plain: No. -- ferret (talk) 20:57, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
Then is there a place I can do it at?Porygon-Z (talk) 21:04, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
pokemongo.fandom.com -- ferret (talk) 21:06, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
Blocked. Anywhere else? Porygon-Z (talk) 21:12, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
I'm sorry but we really can't assist you with editing from school. You may have to wait till you're home. -- ferret (talk) 21:13, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
I am home :( Porygon-Z (talk) 21:16, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
Very unfortunately, but the fact your school/dorm blocks Wikia/Fandom doesn't change whether or not these information belongs on Wikipedia. bulbapedia is the other big Pokemon wiki. -- ferret (talk) 21:18, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
I can't get on that either. Man, my school does not like me at all. By the way, I asked a question on Generation 1 Pokemon if you wanna check that out. But anyway thanks for your help. I really appreciate it. Porygon-Z (talk) 21:21, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
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