Talk:Plimsoll (shoe)

synonym

I always thought that a plimsoll was what I grew up calling a "deck shoe" but I don't see that name listed here. There is no article about "deck shoes" so I cannot confirm or disprove that they are identical. 165.91.65.54 (talk) 22:29, 12 March 2008 (UTC)rkh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deck_shoe 84.71.75.44 (talk) 19:37, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

It's good someone created an article on them but canvas upper + rubber sole does simply make it a dialect split from this one.

If there is some real distinction, the articles should both do a better job explaining it. — LlywelynII 17:09, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Comment by 66.102.67.76

I always thought that the origin of the word Plimsoll was earlier and comes from the sailing days when seamen sewed rope in the form of a sole and then attached canvas for the upper. The word derives from "plim" being an old word for rope hence "plim sole". Another recent reference to "plim" meaning rope derives from men who lowered themslves over a cliff face on a rope to collect sea bird eggs and they were called "plimmers" Can anyone help here ?

Yes. I think I can. That is (checks notes) completely wrong.

It's capitalized because it's from a guy's name. — LlywelynII 17:07, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Names

I'd quite like to add some of the wider-spread regional names for them, such as 'pumps' and 'daps'. Obviously, this means finding these terms used like this in recorded sources. If anyone here comes across these, please include them or post them in this talk page. Skittle 13:10, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

These are from the BBC's word map (go to Choose a Theme-What they wear and then Choose a concept-Child's soft shoes):

• "daps" -South Wales, Bristol
• "gutties" -Northern Ireland
• "gym shoes"-Central Scotland
• "pumps" - West Midlands, Greater London (??ikrip)
• "sandshoes" - North East
• "sannies" -Strathclyde
• "plimsolls" -Surrey (Added later by an anon, not part of the original post by Greatgavini
• "Runners" -Western Canada

Skittle 15:20, 23 March 2007 (UTC))

Are these words and their corresponding regions reasonably accurate or not? - THE GREAT GAVINI {T-C} 19:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

(??ikrip) Never called them "pumps" in SE London. My wife (from Manchester) and brother-in-law (Stoke on Trent) call them "pumps", but I've never heard them called that darn Sarf. To us they were "plimsolls", and boy, did they stink. ikrip | talk page 12:32, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

They’re definitely called pumps almost exclusively in Birmingham, that’s what I call them and my dad from Staffordshire (Uttoxeter, not Stoke) says ‘pumps’ too. On the other hand I was shocked beyond belief when my sister’s ex-boyfriend HADN’T EVEN HEARD the word ‘pumps’, he was from Essex and said ‘plimsoll’. Overlordnat1 (talk) 00:22, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Odd. He should've heard of pumps on the telly. We inexplicably have them at court shoe, though. Guess the Brits were first setting up the footwear articles other than sneakers. — LlywelynII 17:05, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Hipsters

Not sure there's any way to get this into the article, but it's possibly worth noting that this particular style of shoe is almost universally worn by hipsters (at least here in NYC). They're as ubiquitous with that group as black horn-rimmed glasses. Seanr (talk) 15:48, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Given that it's an entirely Brit style as presented, no, there's no way to talk about the Yanks. If you know what the Americans call them, maybe. The editors above think that they might cover exactly the same ground as the American deck shoe but it's unclear. — LlywelynII 17:01, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Overzealous markup

It's about time somebody rips out all those stupid "citation needed" marks. It's perfectly obvious that everything in the article comes from the three sources given.

To my mind, one of the most obnoxious things about Wikipedia is how people go around tagging things with stuff like "citation needed" instead of getting their hands dirty by doing some actual work to improving them. It takes neither brains, nor talent, nor skill, nor effort to slap a "citation needed" on something. If you have the time to tag it, you have the time to improve it! So for heaven's sake DO SO! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poihths (talk • contribs) 20:07, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Nah, the most obnoxious thing is a handful of admins who abuse their power on occasion but are too useful for other reasons to rein in.

The next most obnoxious thing is people who don't sign their posts on talk pages. The third most is probably me on a bad day.

People making notes where actual citations are needed are so far down the list of problems that they spin back around and are in fact one of the things that make Wikipedia good. If you're so sure the citations cover a given point, add it. Ganbatte! — LlywelynII 16:59, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

“Regional”…?

Surely the problem with this is that the article appears to assumes that “plimsoll” is a universal term, and that the other names for this are somehow variations, used in tandem with the “correct” name in “regions”; it doesn’t allow for the fact that plimsoll isn’t a universal term, is also “regional”, and is as likely to be not used at all in some places. Difficult I know, but there either has to be evidence given that it is used everywhere, or it should be stated in which regions it is used. Jock123 (talk) 22:39, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Nah. The problem is that this article and sneaker are suffering an identity crisis.

This article is about plimsolls and that article is about sneakers and they should be better distinguished.

As for the rest, yeah, the OED at least thinks plimsoll is the universal term and the rest are regional variants. — LlywelynII 17:13, 1 July 2023 (UTC)