Talk:Persecution of Ahmadis

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The article give the point of view of Qadianis only and niether the facts nor the point ofview of Muslims.

this article states the truth[edit]

this article is not biased, as i think some might think, or even try to type but obviously got it wrong. it clearly shows how we Ahmadis have been treated for years, and for some reason i dont seem to see any change coming soon. small minded people cant see that we are also people, who happen to believe in something different. does that mean we should be stoned to death? in the past when i have spoken to sunni muslims about what it is they actually believe in, they had no idea. your all so quick to judge us, but maybe you should try picking up the Quran and reading it for yourself, and then make a decision, but dont crusify us because we are sure about what we belive in. killing us will not make us change our beliefs. we are strong individually, and stand as an army together. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.254.182.110 (talk) 13:23, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Opening Paragraph[edit]

The following line "converts to Islam in many parts of the world first discover Islam through the Ahmadis" can neither be proved nor disproved and doesn't add to the article in any way and should be edited or removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.120.250.72 (talk) 07:22, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That is a direct quote from the Association of Social Anthropologists reference linked at the end of the lead paragraph, and it is supported by various other sources as well. I would say it's quite relevant, because it is a big part of how the rest of the world (i.e. in non-Muslim countries) interacts with the religion. It's an interesting paradox: Ahmadis have been marginalised by the Muslim community, yet they are proselytizers for the faith to the rest of the world and play a unique role in bringing others into that community. AtticusX (talk) 19:04, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Result was Merge

Merge proposed[edit]

The article Anti-Ahmadiyya sentiment was recently created. It appears that any useful and sourced information in that article can be included here. It is proposed that the article be merged and redirected here. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 16:38, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It might be a little to early to propose merge.--Peace world 18:57, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is best decided early -- before substantial work is done on a duplicate article rather than expanding the long-existing topic. My basic reason for the merge is I don't find any difference between the terms "persecution of X" and "anti-X sentiment". They mean the same thing. Scholars writing about the Ahmadiyya use the terms interchangeably. The only problem seems to be that this article suggests the persecution is only "religious persecution" rather than both religious and political persecution. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 21:04, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Anti-Ahmadiyya sentiment duplicates some of the material and the subjects are essentially the same. --Muhandes (talk) 14:31, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Since, after three months, there has been no opposition to this I have merged such content as seemed worth merging. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:11, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Abdus Salam[edit]

I removed a section recently added as follows:

Abdus Salam is the only muslim recipient of the Nobel Prize in Physics. However, because of his allegiance to the Ahmadiyya sect, he has been ignored and excommunicated. There are no monuments or universities named after him. The word "Muslim" has been erased from his grave stone.^[1]

I don't doubt it's correctness. I just think it is one person ignored, and not important enough to be added as a historical event, especially not as a separate section. If the editor can incorporate it elsewhere in a more minor way I would not object.--Muhandes (talk) 18:06, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, i will incorporate it elsewhere Pass a Method talk 18:20, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/8744092.stm

English Defence League attack on October 2011[edit]

Per this source it was an attack on a "Muslim exhibition". It very specifically says "A MUSLIM book stall in Cradley Heath market was stormed by over 25 thugs from the English Defence League this weekend". There is no evidence that this was a specific anti-Ahmaddia act. Please bring such sources before restoring it (not to mention that this was also added under Pakistan). --Muhandes (talk) 19:18, 22 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Websites[edit]

I've removed the "Websites" section, links provided appear to display biased information verging on the sort of persecution this article is intended to highlight. Statements of religious dogma should not be presented as facts which "prove(s) the falsehood of ahmadis". Alfius (talk) 12:49, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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My first contribution is http://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1002085/rabwah-dreams-of-the-green-cap "For over 40 years, the sect has been the target of a wide-ranging campaign of systematic abuse and discrimination ..." Open4D (talk) 21:00, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Cleanup of 'Pakistan' section required[edit]

There's a lot of repetition in this particular section. Passport applications and the publication of anti-Ahmadi material have both been mentioned twice. This section needs cleaning up --Theudariks (talk) 18:20, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A reference[edit]

Bookku (talk) 08:26, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Refs[edit]

Bookku (talk) 10:35, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/8744092.stm

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