Talk:Percy Parkes

Notability Tag[edit]

Note: People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
Parkes was one of the first builders in Carmel-by-the-Sea through the 1920s and 1930s and the first contractor to build homes on Scenic Drive. he is best known for building the following commercial buildings: Seven Arts Building (1928), Percy Parkes Building (1926), and the Mary Dummage Shop (1924).
Below are a list of secondary source authors that have written about Parkes: Alissandra Dramov, Kent L. Seavey, Sharron Lee Hale, Neal Hotelling, Linda Leigh Paul, and others.
Biography written by Rolin G. Watkins and Millard F. Hoyle titled: History of Monterey, Santa Cruz and San Benito Counties, California: Biographical.

Greg Henderson (talk) 16:59, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Significant coverage is more than mere mentions in lists of people (which is how Parkes is mentioned in the books by Dramov and Seavey), nor are newspaper clippings of brief mentions and obituaries helpful. I don't have time to do a full source analysis, but it is clear for now that WP:GNG is at least questionable. Melcous (talk) 20:59, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for you answer. I'll work on this and attempt to show that Percy Parkes was a progressive master builder who did so much toward the advancement of building in Monterey County, California. During his career he was one of the most active builders in the village during the 1920s. His American Craftsman-style, represented in the Arts and Crafts movement movement, is visible in the many buildings he constructed. Certainly, the biography about his from the History of Monterey, Santa Cruz and San Benito Counties, California: Biographical by Rolin G. Watkins and Millard F. Hoyle, accounts for something. Based on the WP:ARCHITECT "c" The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. and The person's work (or works) has: (c) won significant critical attention. Greg Henderson (talk) 18:25, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Greghenderson2006: I do not believe you are reading WP:ARCHITECT in good faith. Criteria 3 clearly says such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews, or of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series not that his work is included as one example within in a work about something much broader; and "significant critical attention" would usually mean national-level awards etc. You need to stop seeing wikipedia as a place to write about things of local significance, and start seeing it as a global encyclopedia. Melcous (talk) 22:39, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I need to think from more from a global encyclopedia. At the same time, we should not discount that Parks played a major role in creating a body of historical buildings (works) in Monterey County (that still exits today) and that he has won critical attention via volumes written about him e.g. biographies, books, articles, etc., all from secondary sources, not just primary. If I was a student trying to understand architecture in the Monterey County, his article should be available for someone to read. Reading about just a single building that he created does not give the same breath of understanding. I don't understand why you are so quick to want to delete stuff that others might find important, espcially when the author has put in great lengths to document the subject with citations. I am sure I am missing something from your perspective, so please forgive if I am overstepping my boundaries. Greg Henderson (talk) 23:02, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand why you feel absolutely compelled to create a swath of ultra hyper local articles and zealously resist their deletions. You can do your own open wiki on your personal website and load it with ads and fluff to your heart's content. Graywalls (talk) 15:56, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia's goal is a comprehensive collection of all of the knowledge in the world. It's purpose WP:PURPOSE is to benefit readers that contains information on all branches of knowledge. That excludes local items of interest. Articles can include local landmarks, local historical places, and local people that contributed to their communities. I spend countless hours providing citations to support the notability of the person/place. When they are challenged, it implies that either they are not notable or I failed to provide the citations to support this claim. When I see so many articles that have little citations to support notability, I am suprised why I am being so closely watched. If you look at Violet Heming, Minor Watson, or Louis Sorin, they have a lot less information. If you look at "Category:All articles lacking sources", these articles have no citations at all, e.g. Edgar Demange. Why are they allowed to exist? However, you choose to delete the ones I created because they don't follow the guidelines to the letter? I feel I should be given the chance to (a) improve the article, (b) merge it, or (c) keep the essense of it, so others can read this bit of information. Place a stub or tag on it. That would be better that an all out delete in my opinion. Greg Henderson (talk) 22:43, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Greg, you have been left alone for a long time. You have been closely supervised, because after some problems were found in a couple of your articles, a pattern of same problems were found in much of the articles you've started. Issues including creating an appearance of being well cited article only to have plenty of information within prose that is not verifiable by reliable sources, insertion of outragely sources, such as Lynn Momboisse blog, monetized Lynn Momboisse Voicemap.me voice tours, pokemon character guide like book about Carmel-in-the-Sea houses. The general trend of your boastful tone that aggrandizes past Carmel-by-the-Sea people also suggests possible COI. courtesy ping: @Melcous, Netherzone, and Drmies: Graywalls (talk) 21:36, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your concerns. I no longer use blogs or unreliable sources. You may be looking at older articles that I wrote before I became fully aware of reliable sources and WP:RSP. I am open to working with you and other editors to address any concerns and update the articles to meet the WP guidelines. Greg Henderson (talk) 22:05, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]