Talk:Parti canadien

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was NO CONSENSUS to move, per discussion below. -GTBacchus^(talk) 02:23, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Parti canadien → Canadian Party — English whenever possible, and here English is possible. --Checco 09:57, 28 February 2007 (UTC) –discussion added by SigPig |^{SEND - OVER} 23:37, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

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Survey - in support of the move

1. Support as I said above. --Checco 20:10, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Survey - in opposition to the move

1. Oppose. While "Canadian Party" is a translation, it appears many references to the Parti canadien anglicize it as the "French Canadian Party" -- canadien being a French Canadian. Ignoring Wikipedia and the "French-Canadian Party", Parti canadien gets more ghits than "Canadian Party". I'm still open to convincing, tho. --SigPig |^{SEND - OVER} 04:14, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
2. Oppose it is not known in English in Canada under that name. Hence common usage in English is Parti canadien. 70.51.8.30 05:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
3. Oppose This move would violate Wikipedia naming policies as explained at User talk:Checco and WP:NC. Ground Zero | t 20:15, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
4. Oppose. The rule on Wikipedia isn't actually "English whenever possible" — it's technically possible to translate both Bloc Québécois and Parti Québécois, too, but that would result in absurd titles that nobody on the planet actually uses. The rule is actually that we use whichever name, be it English or French, is more documentably in use for the topic in English-language sources. This is a case where the topic is more commonly referred to by its French name in both languages. Although some translated English names have sometimes been used, none of them is universal or standard. Bearcat 03:57, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Survey - uncertain

1. Uncertain. The expression "Canadian Party" was used, for example in American sources of the time. For sure it was also used in English by Lower Canadians and Upper Canadians supporting the party. The adversaries to the party called it the "French party". That being said, it would seem that a common usage today is to use the "most official" title for the party in both English and French. Still, "Canadian Party" is used in this page of the federal government Web site: http://www.collectionscanada.ca/confederation/023001-2002-e.html

Because of the ambiguous meaning of "Canadian", I think renaming the article could lead to confusion. But it might be worth mentioning in the article that contrary to what the federal government site claims, there were English speakers who supported both the Parti canadien and Canadien nationalism as there are today English speakers who support the Parti québécois and Quebec nationalism. :-) -- Mathieugp 05:56, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

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