Talk:PJ Harvey/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sindinero (talk · contribs) 19:15, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

   See below - two issues need addressing.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   See below - there are some citation problems that need to be addressed for a pass.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Musical style and image section

I wonder whether this section shouldn't be renamed and/or split up into two sections. The first long paragraph concerns her dislike of repetition and her stage personae, but the second paragraph is just straight influences, which doesn't seem covered by either "musical style" or "image," exactly. Sindinero (talk) 09:13, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

1993-present

This section is pretty long (and will, presumably/hopefully, only continue to get longer as the years go by). Would there be a logical way to break it up at all, somewhere around 2000 or so? Before I pass this article for the MOS/layout criterion, I'd like to hear what people think about this issue and the issue above, on "musical style and image". Sindinero (talk) 09:16, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

That's a good fix, but unless there's a good reason otherwise, you should use subsections instead of just bold text. I've made the changes. Sindinero (talk) 07:14, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Citation problems

Cobain's appreciation

If Kurt Cobain lists Dry as his 16th favorite album in his journals, then we need a citation to that source. Also, I've tagged the part of the sentence that says that Dry is "indirectly mentioned in Spin" - first of all the word "indirectly" suggests WP:OR, and secondly it may not even be correct. The source says that Cobain "loves the new PJ Harvey record." This issue is from October, 1993, so it's likely the record in question is "Rid of Me." Sindinero (talk) 08:19, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Performance at the skittles alley

The quote given: "we started playing and I suppose there was about fifty people there, and during the first song we cleared the hall. There was only about two people left. And a woman came up to us, came up to my drummer, it was only a three piece, while we were playing and shouted at him 'Don't you realize nobody likes you! We'll pay you, you can stop playing, we'll still pay you!'" is not in the source given. This needs to be sourced or removed. Sindinero (talk) 08:19, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

I've addressed the issues mentioned above, and the CN templates throughout the article, and this is the only one that needs fixing. The quote is from the MP3 stream included in the source, not the short description/paragraphs on the page. Would it be useful to add a N.B. in the reference to make it clearer? Idiotchalk (talk) 03:52, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

My bad, I should have checked. But yes, that could potentially confuse others as well, so an n.b. might be in order. Btw, I hope to be done with the review in the next few days; I just need to check the references for the remaining sections. In general it's a solid (and enjoyable) article. Sindinero (talk) 06:44, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Wording in the "musical style" section

I have some reservations about this passage: " Around the time of To Bring You My Love, for example, Harvey began experimenting with her image and adopting an elaborate, theatrical, almost cabaret edge to her live shows. Where she once performed on stage in simple black leggings, turtleneck sweaters and Doc Martens, she now began performing in ballgowns, pink catsuits, wigs and garish, vampish make-up – including false eyelashes and fingernails – and using stage props like a broomstick and a Ziggy Stardust-style flashlight microphone." The wording here sounds a lot like music journalism, and I wonder if whoever wrote this might be sticking a little too closely to the source. Does anyone have access to where this came from (presumably the Spin article cited shortly afterwards)? It would probably be a good idea to reword this, if it is close to the original wording, to avoid inadvertent plagiarism. In any case, I've marked this sentence with a cn template since it's unclear that the Spin citation actually covers this material. Sindinero (talk) 11:55, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Clarification

In the sentence towards the end of the influences section: "...has also drawn inspiration from Russian folk music, Italian soundtrack composer Ennio Morricone, classical composers like Arvo Pärt, Samuel Barber and Henryk Górecki, and Neil Young," Neil Young is the only influence that's sourced, as far as I can tell, which is why I put the cn template where I did. Are there sources available for the others? Sindinero (talk) 12:11, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the cite - the new source covers Gorecki and Part, but we still need something for Morricone, Russian Folk music, and Samuel Barber. Sindinero (talk) 14:14, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Review complete

I've gone through the whole article, and put the review on hold until the last few issues can be fixed. These are all detailed above, but in summary:

• The "Ziggy Stardust" sentence needs checking - it should have a source, and we should be confident that there's no risk of plagiarism.
• We need sources showing the influence of Morricone, Russian Folk Music, and Samuel Barber.
  •  Done
• The other remaining cn templates need to be addressed.

Sindinero (talk) 09:20, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Done, done and done. The same book is used for ref 91 but the quotes are on two different pages (55-57 for the Ziggy Stardust sentence and 92 for the "mask" quote). Should I use two seperate references or is it alright the way it is? Idiotchalk (talk)

Great, almost there - I'm not seeing "broomstick" in ref. 90. This is just a minor point, but should be either referenced or modified to something like "...began using various stage props" Sindinero (talk) 08:49, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

It mentions "witch's staff," which seems to indicate a broom, but for the sake of keeping it close to the original ref I edited it. Idiotchalk (talk) 14:34, 2 March 2012 (UTC)