Talk:Orchestral suites (Bach)

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Performance history of suites[edit]

(After composer's death, that is...) The many recordings and concert performances of these works now contrasts somehow with their slow history of discovery- a score of the B minor suite (edited by Emil Eck) was greeted in a 1946 journal not as a long-known friend but as a newfound companion (Waller, Gilbert R. (June 1946). "Suite in B minor". Music Educators Journal. 32 (6): 56. ISSN 0027-4321.) - then there's always Mahler's Bach suite, and they were in the Bach Complete Works...- probably earlier (than Mahler's attempt to popularize this, by inclusions of etc.) performances of course of these four suites but many? Not sure. Schissel | Sound the Note! 00:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Overture (Suite) No. 3 in D major, BWV 1068: II. Air, "Air on the G String"[edit]

One of the samples MP3 is incomplete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.75.144.221 (talk) 16:23, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Title[edit]

The article describes the 4 suites as a set, which is supported by the consecutive opus numbers. Further, Orchestral Suites is in title case, both in the article's title and in the first line of the lead. If Orchestral Suites were not the title of the set (i.e., if the term was merely descriptive), the article's title would be Orchestral suites (Bach) and the first mention would be orchestral suites (all lower case). Since Orchestral Suites is used as a title, the scope of the collection dictates italic rather than quotation marks.—Finell 01:04, 10 April 2013 (UTC)Orchestral[reply]

Bach's orchestral suites are summarized in the title, but four separate pieces. In a concert, you will typically hear one, there's no "title" of the four together. Not even the "title" of a single suite is by Bach. I would indeed prefer Orchestral suites (Bach), like Piano sonatas by Ludwig van Beethoven and Brandenburg concertos. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 04:01, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the page ought to be moved to Orchestral suites (Bach) and that the lead be changed accordingly. The sequence of BWV numbers doesn't mean anything at all; the four works are most definitely not a cycle or a set. The original title by User:FordPrefect42 in July 2006 was correct and the move by User:Ocean Shores in August 2010 was mistaken. Unfortunately, the move back will require a formal lodgement at Wikipedia:Requested moves. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:29, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"supported by the consecutive opus numbers" only means anything whatsoever and at all when the composer assigns the opus numbers, rather than a librarian and musicologist working 2 centuries (1950) after Bach's death. ELSchissel (talk) 17:38, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Move request[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 17:06, 17 April 2013 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

Orchestral Suites (Bach) → Orchestral suites (Bach) – The article is about four pieces, not a set of pieces, "Suites" is not a title Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:27, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support per above. Toccata quarta (talk) 16:32, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support – as I wrote above. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:47, 11 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Rifkin[edit]

"Bach first added these parts when adapting the Ouverture movement for the choral first movement to his 1725 Christmas cantata" - this is a circular assumption. The suite movement may be an arrangement of the cantata first movement (barring evidence not mentioned to the contrary), so this does not establish or even suggest a pre-1726 date. ELSchissel (talk) 17:36, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]