Talk:Oracle Cerner/Archive 1

Archive 1

Updating Information

Hello, my name is Matt. In interest of full disclosure, I am a current Cerner employee. In reviewing the page, I've noticed some information is outdated, and there are opportunities to provide new information as well. I'm aware of COI guidelines, so want to work through the talk page to propose edits to the article. Hoping to work with the community to provide factual information to improve the entry for everyone. Thanks in advance for reviewing content, and working with me to improve the entry. Mdd044 (talk) 15:35, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Here is suggested copy to update the introduction paragraph of the entry. It combines current content with more up-to-date information. Citations are included. Hoping the community will review and provide feedback. Thanks!

• Cerner Corporation is a global supplier of health care information technology (HCIT) solutions, services, devices and hardware. Cerner solutions optimize processes for health care organizations. These solutions are currently licensed by approximately 10,000 facilities around the world, including more than 2,700 hospitals; 4,150 physician practices; 45,000 physicians; 550 ambulatory facilities, such as laboratories, ambulatory centers, behavioral health centers, cardiac facilities, radiology clinics and surgery centers; 800 home health facilities; 45 employer sites and 1,750 retail pharmacies.

Cerner is the largest publicly-traded company focusing solely on health care information technology in the United States. McKesson and GE are larger in size, but both companies have income from non-technology health care sources. Cerner’s main competitor is Epic Systems.

Mdd044 (talk) 16:05, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Here is suggested copy to update the History section of the entry. Some of the current material will be moved to new sections to be proposed later on. As before, I've included citations where appropriate. Thank you for reviews and for feedback on content.

Cerner was founded in 1979 by Neal Patterson, Paul Gorup, and Cliff Illig, who were colleagues at Arthur Andersen. The company’s original name was PGI & Associates. It was renamed Cerner in 1984[5]when it rolled out its first system, PathNet. It went public in 1986.[6] Cerner's client base grew steadily in the late 1980s, reaching 70 sites in 1987, 120 sites in 1988, 170 sites in 1989, and reaching 250 sites in 1990. Installations were primarily of PathNet systems.

During this time, Cerner was developing components of a Health Network Architecture, an integrated IT system designed to automate health care processes. Clients could purchase individual components or the whole system at one time. By 1994, more than 30 clients had purchased the full HNA system, while 100 clients had purchased multiple components of the system.

Cerner began to expand globally in the 1990s as well, establishing presences in Australia, England, Canada, Singapore, Saudi Arabia and Germany during the decade.

In 1997, the company introduced Cerner Millennium, an upgrade to its HNA system which incorporated all of the company’s software offerings into one unified architecture. The introduction of Millennium contributed to significant growth for the company, with revenue increasing to $1.1 billion in 2005 from $245.1 million in 1997. Ten years after its introduction, in 2007, Millennium had been successfully implemented in more than 1,200 facilities worldwide.

Mdd044 (talk) 15:16, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Here is suggested copy to update the office locations content included in the article.

==Locations==

Cerner is headquartered in Kansas City, Mo. Cerner's world headquarters (WHQ) campus is across the street from North Kansas City Hospital, Cerner's second hospital client. In 2005, Cerner acquired the Riverport Campus complex on the site of what was formerly the Sam's Town Casino above the Missouri River in North Kansas City, Missouri In 2006 it also acquired the former Marion Laboratories complex in southeast Kansas City, Missouri, renaming the campus the Innovation Campus. In 2013, the company opened the first building in a new campus development located in Kansas City, Kan. The company calls this the Continuous Campus. In early 2014, the company announced that it had begun a $4.3 billion campus construction project on the site of the former Bannister Mall in south Kansas City near the Innovation Campus.

Cerner maintains a handful of additional offices in the United States, as well as offices in the UK, Australia, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Germany, France and several other countries outside the United States.

Mdd044 (talk) 17:54, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

References

Question:

• I don't understand what has the copyright problem on this page? I know at one point there was text from that page, which wasn't sited, but I believe now it has been fixed. The business summary section was copyied from another online source, but the source was sited. Is that not leagal? -It's understood now...
• This page is very out of date and does not reflect many of Cerner's current statistics. My understanding is that the standard Wikipedia practice is that representatives of corporations are not to edit their pages. What is the best course of action for us to take for getting current, verifiable and neutral content on our page? Is the best course of action for me to make recommendations on this page and then request edits? Topfivedesign (talk) 16:10, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I have no problems with basic info (size, etc.) Make sure you put references. I will watch what you put up. Avoid peacock terms and superlatives. BTW, saying "our page" really catches the eye of Wiki editors. Since I've invested more time on this than I ever expected on this I will keep an eye on it. Americasroof (talk) 20:43, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Temp Page

• Since there was some copyright problems in the history of the original page, I went ahead a posted the current information out on the Temporary Cerner page. Please let us know if some content needs to change. Thanks.

It looks like you've figured this out, but our policy is not to put new material on a page that has the "copyright violation" notice on it. That is probably why Simon P. reverted it. Also, it is not correct that you can copy material as long as you cite it. In order to be included in a Wikipedia article, the copyright holder must release it under the GFDL, which allows it to be freely redistributed. FreplySpang (talk) 17:16, August 11, 2005 (UTC) P.S. If you type four tildes (~) at the end of your comments, the Wiki software fills it in with a signature and date. This is useful for talk pages like this one. Thanks.

• How long does one usually have to wait for the copyright violation to be deleted, and have the Temp page replace that?
  • In theory, seven days. In practice, Wikipedia:Copyright problems has developed a bit of a backlog. It's fixed now (this article, at least - not the backlog!). You might want to get someone not associated with the company to review the article. I did a bit of formatting (I can see that you've tried to learn Wikipedai style), but I suspect it needs more work by someone who isn't currently busy clearing copyright violation backlogs. -Aranel ("Sarah") 00:52, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

What are "associates"?

What are "associates"? Do you mean "employees"? Why does this page read like a press release? Ewlyahoocom 13:26, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Cerner internally uses the term "associates." I think there is only one sentence left which reads like a press release, and I will have a go at rewriting it. Matchups 19:35, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Controversy?

The responses to the article in Pediatrics shows that their study http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/116/6/1506 had some major problems. http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/eletters/116/6/1506 Responses to their article

Here's an excerpt from the first response:

"In conclusion, although the findings the authors observed are concerning, it is not possible to assign any causation. There are sufficient flaws with the authors’ analysis that it is not possible to conclude that risk-adjusted mortality actually increased. Further, if risk-adjusted mortality did increase, it was likely related to the way CPOE was implemented at this hospital, not CPOE itself."http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/eletters/116/6/1506

The controversy section should be removed from the article because there is no controversy. 159.140.254.10 (talk) 17:16, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

My interest in Cerner is strictly that it is a KC company and I'm watching because I took a photo (we really do need a NKC HQ photo - I was down there taking photos of Marion Labs). From a cursory look at what was presented, the whole section both pro and con seem simplistic and very difficult to decipher. CPOE really needs an article on its own to discuss issues that go well beyond Cerner. However looking at the above response I see it comes from a Cerner I.P. so there is clearly a Conflict of Interest. If there is a more in depth article on CPOE in general I would be in favor of reducing the graph to one line here with a link. The claims there is no controversy is not true. There is clearly a source with reputable sources. The refuting comes from letters. Americasroof (talk) 18:39, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I see there is CPOE already. I linked to it and also balanced out the comments on the controversy section. I also tried to make it clearer what the company actually does. Americasroof (talk) 19:12, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Why was "Cerner" Chosen for the Company Name?

I don't see anywhere on the web why "Cerner" was chosen for the company name. Americasroof (talk) 20:44, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Latin, to see. French, identify. Spanish, blossom, soar? From what I gather it was all of these reasons. Aar☢n Bruce^Talk/_Contribs 21:29, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Products

Rather than listing subsidiaries (all of which have the same name and no context on their former names), I would prefer a list of products. Americasroof (talk) 20:59, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Agree that listing subsidiaries does not add to the value of the article. Perhaps even violates WP:PROMO Malt12nigh (talk) 20:01, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Logo

Yes, Cerner has created a new logo, and a recent edit correctly represented it. However, as noted, they are still primarily using the old one, and until the new one shows up publicly (e.g., on their web site), we need to continue to follow their lead. Ma^t_chups 03:16, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh controversy

Regarding the Phillip Longman statement re: Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh in the controversy section, the source cited (Washington Monthly) did not seem to direct to a specific source discussing the problems experienced at the Children’s Hospital of Pittsburgh. A quick search to find a suitable replacement source turned up a Wall Street Journal article describing the situation.

The article summarizes the same study referenced in the Washington Monthly article but also lists criticisms concerning the study’s methodology and conclusions from other scholarly researchers published in the same industry periodical. (I believe this link to be the “eLetters for Han et. al” which was previously cited). The WSJ also included a rebuttal by the hospital’s Medical Director at the time, Eugene Wiener. Wiener said “the study was just a ‘brief snapshot in time’ and that overall mortality rates at the hospital have improved each year since the new computer system was installed.” This statement appears to be in line with the results published by other hospitals who installed the same computer systems by Cerner like Lucile Packard Children's Hospital at Stanford and Seattle Children’s hospital; see this article.

The level of disagreement on which factors may have contributed to the increase in mortality rates for a grouping of patients at the Children’s Hospital of Pittsburgh makes it questionable that the situation belongs on the Cerner company page. Currently, this situation is listed as an example of potential risks of computerized physician order entry (CPOE) on the related Wikipedia page, Computerized physician order entry. I think this reference is sufficient and the most appropriate placement, as the issue is more of a health care industry concern than a specific Cerner problem.

For these reasons, I feel this particular controversy doesn't belong in the Cerner article and would like to remove it. Please let me know if you agree or disagree.

Disclosure: Cerner has hired me to update its Wikipedia article, and this edit would be among those updates if the community accepts it. Thank you for your consideration. JNorman704 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 20:10, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

thanks for disclosing! Will try to have a look tonight - please feel free to ping me if this slips through the cracks for me. Jytdog (talk) 18:37, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Request edit on 1 July 2015

I am requesting the following edits be added to this article, in order to update it and make it more accurate and reflective of the company today.

- In the infobox: UPDATE: Number of employees is currently about 22,000, not 15,800.

- Intro paragraph: UPDATES for currency and accuracy. Please update the number of current facilities, hospitals, etc. to read along the lines of:

These solutions are currently licensed by approximately 18,000 facilities around the world, including more than 3,000 hospitals, 4,900 physician practices, 60,000 physicians, 590 ambulatory facilities, 3,500 extended care facilities, 150 employer sites, and 1,790 retail pharmacies. SOURCE: : https://www.cerner.com/physicians_becoming_more_efficient_using_cerner_ehr/

As of February 2015, the company had 22,000 employees globally.

History

ADDITIONS to reflect recent recent events in the company’s history. Please consider adding the requested edits after this paragraph: Its products include PowerChart, based on the Cerner CCL programming language, and Millennium e-Booking, which is providing a code base for Choose and Book.

Cerner acquired IMC Health Care, Inc. in early 2010 to continue expanding its wellness services to outside commercial employers, pharmacies and wellness programs.

- I have added a new sentence to the end of the following paragraph to reflect a company update:

In July 2010, president Trace Devanny left the company. "Devanny’s responsibilities will be absorbed by the current organization. Patterson will become the company’s president, in addition to his current role as Cerner’s chairman and chief executive officer." In September 2013, Zane Burke was named president, assuming the title from Neal Patterson.

- Please add this paragraph following the one above:

By the end of 2014, Cerner operated 35 health centers nationwide for organizations such as Hallmark Cards and Children’s Mercy Hospitals. SOURCES: Hallmark, https://www.cerner.com/cerner_launches_primary_health_network_pilot_program/?langtype=1033 Children’s Mercy Hospitals, http://www.childrensmercy.org/EmployeeWellnessCenter/

- Please add this paragraph next:

On August 5, 2014, Cerner announced its intent to purchase Siemens Health Services, the health information technology business of Germany’s Siemens AG, for $1.3 billion. Additionally, Cerner and Siemens AG plan to invest $50 million each into an alliance for research and development. The acquisition was completed on February 2, 2015. The acquisition was completed on February 2, 2015.

Locations

UPDATES to this section:

Requesting that the last sentence (beginning "In early 2014") be removed from the following paragraph and moved into its own paragraph:

Cerner is headquartered in Kansas City, Missouri. Cerner's world headquarters (WHQ) campus is across the street from North Kansas City Hospital, Cerner's second hospital client. In 2005, Cerner acquired the Riverport Campus complex on the site of what was formerly the Sam's Town Casino above the Missouri River in North Kansas City, Missouri In 2006 it also acquired the former Marion Laboratories complex in southeast Kansas City, Missouri, renaming the campus the Innovation Campus. In 2013, the company opened the first building in a new campus development located in Kansas City, Kan. The company calls this the Continuous Campus. In early 2014, the company announced that it had begun a $4.45 billion campus construction project on the site of the former Bannister Mall in south Kansas City near the Innovation Campus.

- Please update the above paragraph to read as follows:

Cerner is headquartered in Kansas City, Missouri. Cerner's world headquarters (WHQ) campus is across the street from North Kansas City Hospital, Cerner's second hospital client. In 2005, Cerner acquired the Riverport Campus complex on the site of what was formerly the Sam's Town Casino above the Missouri River in North Kansas City, Missouri In 2006 it also acquired the former Marion Laboratories complex in southeast Kansas City, Missouri, renaming the campus the Innovation Campus. In 2013, the company opened the first building in a new campus development located in Kansas City, Kan. The company calls this the Continuous Campus.

- Then, please add this new paragraph:

In 2013, Cerner announced plans to redevelop 236-acres in south Kansas City, Missouri into an office park. The site was previously occupied by Bannister Mall, which was demolished in 2009. Cerner broke ground on the new campus on November 11, 2014. The $4.45 billion project intends to employ 16,000 new Cerner workers within the decade.

Subsidiaries

Requesting that this section be deleted, as all the subsidiaries have been rebranded as Cerner and are no longer separate companies. Some of these links are dead, as well.

Awards

UPDATES: Please consider adding the following awards as updates to this section:

• No. 4 Healthiest Workplace in America, Healthiest Employers LLC, 2014.

• No. 22, The World's Most Innovative Companies, Forbes, 2014.

• No. 1, World’s Most Admired Company in Health Care: Pharmacy and Other Services category, Fortune, 2015.

• Positioned as a ''Leader'' in Gartner Magic Quadrant for Enterprise EHR Systems, 2015.

References

Thank you so much for your consideration. Please let me know if you have questions. JNorman704 (talk) 20:55, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your patience. I did most of this. I didn't include:

• a couple of the awards that seemed minor.
• the "By the end of 2014, Cerner operated 35 health centers..." sourced to Cerner.
• the breakdown of the kinds of facilities where Cerner's products are used, which is sourced to a press release.

I also did some other work. I think the article could benefit from a section focused on Cerner's products. Do you want to draft something for that, ideally sourced to independent sources and plain English? If not, that's fine - I might do it myself eventually. Jytdog (talk) 02:26, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

PowerChart

NSW hospitals use the PowerChart product by Cerner. Should be incldued 182.255.99.214 (talk) 12:29, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

It's notable because many of the big hospitals like Cleveland Clinic, John Hopkins HOpsital, Kaiser Permanente, are using Epic Systems 182.255.99.214 (talk) 12:30, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

We base WP content on reliable sources, not on assertions. What sources do you have that discuss this and show it is relevant to an encyclopedia article (which is what this is, not a site promoting Cerner). Jytdog (talk) 18:28, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

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Rename to Oracle Cerner

Per the June 2022 acquisition, should this be renamed to Oracle Cerner to reflect the new branding for the company? 2600:1702:4630:C530:1AF:EA79:45B0:7010 (talk) 23:21, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 11 October 2023

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The result of the move request was: Moved. Unopposed RM. (closed by non-admin page mover) estar8806 (talk) ★ 01:25, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

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Cerner → Oracle Cerner – Cerner was purchased by Oracle in 2022, and has since been renamed to Oracle Cerner and branding updated. Tim (Talk) 11:20, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

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