Talk:O'Donovan family

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Untitled[edit]

This is an attempt to create a model surname-related article, and many of the references will be added to the other Irish surname and lordship articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.84.58.168 (talk) 05:06, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, I am a French American person, and scholar of Nordic Scandinavia, who was fortunate enough in his childhood to be with a certain Dame of this ancient family, a Goddess. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.83.39.224 (talk) 20:51, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hard stuff almost done. Later history needs expansion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.66.152.234 (talk) 06:34, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tagging my own work...[edit]

I'm the one responsible for the article, having trained myself on it and a few other early ones. But here I got very, very carried away. I was new to the material, and not a little bit in love (and I still am a bit). It happens. But at least it's now here to be rewritten. DinDraithou (talk) 02:21, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I may have been too hard on myself, and have changed the tag. DinDraithou (talk) 15:33, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have now improved the top three sections a little, and tagged the two following for cleanup. DinDraithou (talk) 15:05, 25 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Donnell II O'Donovan[edit]

Some time ago I created Donnell II O'Donovan, the last inaugurated, and now I am in the process of making a proper subject of him. For those unaware, his life is well documented for a middle tier lord. DinDraithou (talk) 18:49, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Royal family?[edit]

There is nothing special or noteworthy about the claims to marrying people who are themselves related to royalty. This is not something that sets apart this family in any way and it is pointless self-glorification to present a family like this as 'royal' because one member of ot might have married a family that itself has a remote connection to a royal family. Without a neutral source specifically referring to this family in this manner, this is not something that should appear in this article, let alone be something Wikipedia 'deserves', a non sequitur. Agricolae (talk) 13:21, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

origin of name[edit]

Regarding the origin of the name, Ó Donnabháin literally means 'grandson of Donnubán' (or, more generally, descendant of Donnubán). All of the O'- Irish patronymics work this way. In turn, the founder bore the given name of Donnubán, meaning black/brown noble. It is from the man that the family derives its name, and only indirectly from whatever that man parents decided to name him, just as the name FitzGerald came from son of Gerald and not 'son of Spear Rule', and MacDonald came from son of Donald rather than son of World Rule, and Alberson derives from son of Albert and not 'son of Bright Noble', and Ramírez from son of Ramiro, not 'son of Famous Advice' - translating the constituent parts of patronymics doesn't get you anywhere meaningful, and actually conveys less information about the family than retaining the patronymic meaning. Agricolae (talk) 23:49, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

'Today'[edit]

If one is going to indicate the status of the family today, one really shouldn't be using a source from the 1830s. Not only has the political context of Ireland changed dramatically in the intervening almost 200 years, but the forms and style used by historical and antiquarian scholars to refer to families has changed. Agricolae (talk) 08:37, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sliocht Aneslis[edit]

Reliable enough sources for this sept should only include O'Donovan Rossa, John O'Donovan, Diarmuid Ó Murchadha, and to some extent Collins of Myross and R. Henchion, although I've not yet been able to access Henchion's work in the JCHAS beyond snippets.

Deriving this later Limerick O'Donovan family from a mixture of the Sliocht Aneslis together with a hodgepodge of material from the Clanloughlin (and the Clancahill too a bit = Synganyge = obviously a corruption of Seehanes) is totally unsourced.

People having general trouble should go and enjoy the article for Dáire Cerbba I have been writing. It requires some work yet but will be done by the end of the year.

Doniphan/Donovan family of Colonial Virginia[edit]

Hello,

Searching for a completely unrelated English family (Partridge) from New England and Northumberland I happened across the person and family of Alexander Doniphan, and here at The Truman Library. As we all know Donovan, like Sullivan, and there were some of those in Old New England, is a single origin surname. Does anyone know if any of these Old Virginia Donovans survive?