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Lines in the system[edit]

New York Central Lines[edit]

From [1] (subdivision names from [2])

Formation Of NYC And PRR. To effect the Division, CRC will form two wholly owned subsidiaries (referred to collectively as the Subsidiaries): New York Central Lines LLC (NYC) and Pennsylvania Lines LLC (PRR). CSXC will have exclusive authority to appoint the officers and directors of NYC; NSC will likewise have exclusive authority to appoint the officers and directors of PRR; and CRC, as the sole member of the Subsidiaries, will (with certain exceptions) follow CSXC's and NSC's directions with respect to the management and operation of NYC and PRR, respectively.
Allocation Of Conrail Assets And Liabilities. On the date of the Division, CRC will assign to NYC and PRR certain of CRC's assets. NYC will be assigned those CRC assets designated to be operated as part of the CSX rail system (the NYC-Allocated Assets), and PRR will be assigned those CRC assets designated to be operated as part of the NS rail system (the PRR-Allocated Assets). These assets will include, among other things, certain lines and facilities currently operated by Conrail, whether owned by Conrail or operated by Conrail under trackage rights. Certain additional assets (referred to as the Retained Assets) will continue to be held by CRR and CRC (or their subsidiaries other than NYC and PRR) and will be operated by them for the benefit of CSX and NS. In addition, on the date of the Division: the former Conrail line now owned by NS that runs from Fort Wayne, IN, to Chicago, IL (the Fort Wayne Line), will be transferred to Conrail in a like-kind exchange for Conrail's Chicago South/Illinois Lines (the Streator Line); and Conrail will assign the Fort Wayne line to NYC, to be operated together with the other Conrail lines to be assigned to NYC and used by CSX as part of the CSX rail system.
Assets Allocated To NYC. The NYC-Allocated Assets will include the following primary routes currently operated by Conrail (routes over which Conrail operates pursuant to trackage rights are designated "TR"):
(1) NY/NJ Area to Cleveland (New York Central Railroad route), including (a) line segments from North NJ Terminal to Albany (Selkirk),

West Shore Railroad - River SD

(b) Albany to Poughkeepsie, NY,

Hudson River Railroad - Hudson SD

(c) Poughkeepsie to New York City (TR), [over Metro-North Railroad]

Hudson River Railroad

(d) New York City to White Plains (TR), [over Metro-North Railroad]

New York and Harlem Railroad

(e) Albany to Cleveland via Syracuse, Buffalo and Ashtabula, OH,

New York Central Railroad and Lake Shore and Michigan Southern Railway - Hudson SD, Selkirk SD, Mohawk SD, Rochester SD, Buffalo Terminal SD, Lake Shore SD and Erie West SD

(f) Boston to Albany,

Boston and Albany Railroad - Boston SD, Berkshire SD and Post Road SD

(g) Syracuse to Adirondack Jct., PQ,

Rome, Watertown and Ogdensburgh Railroad, United States and Canada Railroad (Canadian National Railway), Montreal and Champlain Junction Railroad (Canadian National Railway), St. Lawrence and Adirondack Railway - St. Lawrence SD and Montreal SD

(h) Adirondack Jct. to Montreal (TR), [over Canadian Pacific Railway]

? (Canadian Pacific Railway)

(i) Woodard, NY, to Oswego, NY,

Syracuse, Phoenix and Oswego Railroad and New York, Ontario and Western Railway - Fulton SD

(j) Syracuse to Hawk, NY,

Oswego and Syracuse Railroad (Delaware, Lackawanna and Western Railroad) - Fairgrounds SD and Baldwinsville SD

(k) Hawk to Port of Oswego (TR), [over ?]

Oswego and Syracuse Railroad (Delaware, Lackawanna and Western Railroad)

(l) Buffalo Terminal to Niagara Falls/Lockport,

Buffalo and Niagara Falls Railroad and Lockport and Niagara Falls Railroad - Niagara SD and Lockport SD

(m) Lockport to West Somerset (TR), [over Somerset Railroad]

Somerset Railroad - Somerset Railroad SD

(n) Syracuse to NYS&W/FL connections, NY,(41)

Looks like very short connections, as the NYS&W goes to Syracuse - what's the FL?

(o) Albany/Boston Line to Massachusetts branch lines,
(p) Albany/Boston Line to Massachusetts branch lines (TR),
(q) New York City to Connecticut branch lines (TR), [over Amtrak]

New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad

(r) Connecticut branch lines (TR),
(s) Connecticut Branch lines,
(t) Churchville, NY, to Wayneport, NY,

West Shore Railroad - West Shore SD

(u) Mortimer, NY, to Avon, NY, and

Rochester and Genesee Valley Railroad (Erie Railroad) - now part of the Livonia, Avon and Lakeville Railroad?

(v) Rochester Branch, NY;
(2) Crestline, OH, to Chicago (Pennsylvania Railroad route), including (a) Crestline to Dunkirk, OH,

Pittsburgh, Fort Wayne and Chicago Railroad (Pennsylvania Railroad) - Fort Wayne Line and Fort Wayne Secondary

(b) Dunkirk to Fort Wayne, IN,

Pittsburgh, Fort Wayne and Chicago Railroad (Pennsylvania Railroad) - Fort Wayne Secondary

(c) Fort Wayne to Warsaw, IN,

Pittsburgh, Fort Wayne and Chicago Railroad (Pennsylvania Railroad) - Fort Wayne Secondary

(d) Warsaw to Chicago Terminal (Clarke Jct.), IN, and

Pittsburgh, Fort Wayne and Chicago Railroad (Pennsylvania Railroad) - Fort Wayne Secondary

(e) Adams, IN, to Decatur, IN;

Cincinnati, Richmond and Fort Wayne Railroad (Pennsylvania Railroad) - Decatur Secondary

(3) Berea to E. St. Louis, including (a) Cleveland Terminal to Crestline,

Cleveland, Cincinnati, Chicago and St. Louis Railway - Greenwich SD

(b) Crestline to E. St. Louis via Galion, OH, Ridgeway, OH, Indianapolis, IN, Terre Haute, IN, Effingham, IL, and St. Elmo, IL,

Cleveland, Cincinnati, Chicago and St. Louis Railway [to Terre Haute] and Vandalia Railroad (Pennsylvania Railroad) - Greenwich SD, Mount Victory SD, Indianapolis Line SD, Indianapolis Terminal SD and St. Louis Line SD

(c) Anderson, IN, to Emporia, IN,

Cincinnati, Wabash and Michigan Railway

(d) Columbus to Galion,

Cleveland, Cincinnati, Chicago and St. Louis Railway - Columbus Line SD

(e) Terre Haute to Danville, IL,

Cleveland, Cincinnati, Chicago and St. Louis Railway and Cairo, Vincennes and Chicago Railway - Danville Secondary SD

(f) Danville to Olin, IN,

Cleveland, Cincinnati, Chicago and St. Louis Railway - Olin Secondary SD

(g) Indianapolis to Rock Island, IN,

which way?

(h) Indianapolis to Crawfordsville, IN,

Cleveland, Cincinnati, Chicago and St. Louis Railway - Crawfordsville Branch SD

(i) Indianapolis to Shelbyville, IN,

Cleveland, Cincinnati, Chicago and St. Louis Railway - Shelbyville Secondary SD

(j) HN Cabin, IL, to Valley Jct., IL,

Alton and Southern Railway?

(k) St. Elmo to Salem, IL (TR),

Chicago and Eastern Illinois Railroad

(l) Muncie (Walnut Street), IN, to New Castle RT, IN (TR), and

Fort Wayne, Cincinnati and Louisville Railroad (New York, Chicago and St. Louis Railroad)

(m) New Castle RT, IN;
(4) Columbus to Toledo, including (a) Columbus to Toledo via Ridgeway,

[unknown New York Central Railroad line (via Findlay)] - Toledo Branch SD

(b) Toledo Terminal to Woodville, and
(c) Toledo Terminal to Stonyridge, OH;
(5) Bowie to Woodzell, MD, including (a) Bowie to Morgantown, and
(b) Brandywine to Chalk Point;
(6) NY/NJ to Philadelphia (West Trenton Line), including Philadelphia to North NJ Terminal;

Delaware and Bound Brook Railroad (Reading Company)

(7) Washington, DC, to Landover, MD;
(8) Quakertown Branch, line segment from Philadelphia Terminal to Quakertown, PA (TR); and
(9) Chicago Area, line segment from Porter, IN, to the westernmost point of Conrail ownership in Indiana.
Along with these lines, CSXT will operate certain yards and shops, as well as the Conrail Philadelphia Headquarters and Philadelphia area information technology facilities.

Sorted by subdivision[edit]

Baldwinsville

Oswego and Syracuse Railroad (Delaware, Lackawanna and Western Railroad)

Belt

[NYC belt line around Buffalo]

Berkshire

Boston and Albany Railroad and Hudson River Connecting Railroad

Boston

Boston and Albany Railroad

Buffalo Terminal

New York Central Railroad and Lake Shore and Michigan Southern Railway

Carman

Carman Cut-Off

Castleton

Hudson River Connecting Railroad

Fairgrounds

Oswego and Syracuse Railroad (Delaware, Lackawanna and Western Railroad)

Fall River

Old Colony Railroad (New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad)

Fitchburg

Boston, Clinton, Fitchburg and New Bedford Railroad (New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad)

Framingham

Boston, Clinton, Fitchburg and New Bedford Railroad (New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad)

Fulton

Syracuse, Phoenix and Oswego Railroad and New York, Ontario and Western Railway

Hudson

Hudson River Railroad and New York Central Railroad

Lake Shore

Lake Shore and Michigan Southern Railway

Lockport

Rochester, Lockport and Niagara Falls Railroad

Middleboro

Boston, Clinton, Fitchburg and New Bedford Railroad (New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad)

Mohawk

New York Central Railroad

Montreal

United States and Canada Railroad (Canadian National Railway), Montreal and Champlain Junction Railroad (Canadian National Railway), St. Lawrence and Adirondack Railway

New Bedford

Old Colony Railroad (New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad)

Niagara

Buffalo and Niagara Falls Railroad

Port

West Shore Railroad

Post Road

Boston and Albany Railroad

River

West Shore Railroad

Rochester

New York Central Railroad

Schodack

Hudson River Connecting Railroad

Selkirk

West Shore Railroad, Hoffman's Connection and New York Central Railroad

Somerset Railroad

Somerset Railroad

St. Lawrence

Rome, Watertown and Ogdensburgh Railroad

West Shore

West Shore Railroad

Fort Wayne Line
Porter Branch
Decatur Secondary
Fort Wayne Secondary
Carrothers Secondary
Erie West
Cleveland Terminal
Columbus Line
Greenwich
Mount Victory
Indianapolis Line
Indianapolis Terminal
Short Line
St. Louis Line
Crawfordsville Branch
Toledo Branch
Danville Secondary
Frankfort Secondary
Louisville Secondary
Olin Secondary
Scottslawn Secondary
Shelbyville Secondary

1954 proxy fight edits[edit]

I'm going to edit this page to reflect the fact that in the 1954 proxy fight for the New York Central System the Vanderbilts had ver little stock. This will be clear when I write a very detailed history on the subject. At the outset of the fight, W.H. Vanderbilt had 1,000 shares and H. S. Vanderbilt had 10,000 shares. This is out of a total of 6.4 million shares (Time magazine, Feb 22, 1954. See: www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,860503,00.html). The very end of the article has a footnote you should read). H. S Vanderbuilt increased his holdings to 60,000 shares for the proxy fight, and W. H. Vanderbilt to 2,000 shares ("Robert R Young, Populist of Wall Street", Joseph Yorkin, Harper and Row Publishers, 1969, page 164), but this is still a tiny fraction of shares outstanding. Wm 19:36, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you expect it to take more than a couple minutes, add {{inuse}} to the top of the article and save it. Remember to remove the template when you're done editing. Slambo (Speak) 19:45, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Did Metro North inherit some of NYC's operations?[edit]

It looks like Metro North inherited NYC's commuter rail lines in Westchester County, NY. Is this correct? Did other commuter rail lines end up with other carriers? --Badger151 (talk) 13:43, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New York Central System not even in article[edit]

At the top of this article is the famous elliptical black-and-white New York Central System logo that was known to tens of millions in the 20th century.

Where's treatment of that entity in the article, and naming when it was created? Instead, it is mentioned only once, unreferenced.

For that matter, I don't understand the map at top. The logo's name disagrees with the map's heading. To which entity does the map refer?

After these problems are fixed, I also suggest you remove all instances of the phrase 'New York Central system [sic]'. Isn't lowercase 'system' the one word you wouldn't want to use to name an entity whose name ends with that word capitalized? I mean, when talking about the Caribbean, would you say 'Dominican republic'? Oh sure, you could. But why not be concise?

Worse, at present you introduce profound confusion into which entity you're talking about. By saying 'system', are you referring to the railroad generically with *whatever name it had at the time*, or are you referring only to those years when the railroad was styled 'New York Central System'? For example, before Princess Elizabeth became Queen Elizabeth II, do you say, "In 1941, [Q|q]ueen Elizabeth traveled to ..."?

I came to this Wikipedia entry for the reason many come to Wikipedia--not to read a linear history of the NYCRR. Rather, I'm writing an article and I simply need to know by what name I must call this railroad in any given decade.

This article at present fails to provide that information.

o o o

While we're at it, there should be one or more tables about this most important of U.S. railroads. As it is, all information in this--otherwise excellent--article is deeply embedded in long paragraphs.

You've already got a map or two. So let's see a schematic, a timeline--or better yet an evolutionary tree, as for Homo sapiens, of the constituent railroads and mergers.

Granted, it'll take some kind of graphics genius to do that--19th century U.S. railroads were like the early universe, an inchoate babble of gaseous mergers and re-formations.

Anyone?

--Jim Luedke. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimlue (talk • contribs) 23:42, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright problem removed[edit]

Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: Drury, George H. (1994). The Historical Guide to North American Railroads: Histories, Figures, and Features of more than 160 Railroads Abandoned or Merged since 1930. Waukesha, Wisconsin: Kalmbach Publishing. pp. 206–217. ISBN 0-89024-072-8. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help). Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.)

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Presidents[edit]

10 years after my pesky entry (above), the article is still incomplete.

You have a section titled, 'The Vanderbilt years, 1877–1954', but the only Vanderbilt named in the entire article is the Commodore, who died in 1877.

Name at least the major Vanderbilts. Who was president after the Commodore? And after that? And after that? I mean, they were only the wealthiest men in the country, for Pete's sake.

You do name the major players of 1954 and beyond. But name or list all the presidents of the New York Central.

Cordially,

Jimlue (talk) 23:23, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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