Talk:Neville Cardus

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I've altered the WP Cricket importance rating from Low to High. Cardus is probably the most famous of all writers on cricket, and didn't deserve a lower rating than, for example, A. A. Thomson or Alan Gibson. JH (talk page) 20:58, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Professional cricketer?

I can't find any reference anywhere else to Cardus having played professionally. It would be good to see some evidence for this (team(s) played for, stats etc). Edjack 11:13, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

He was a professionsal cricketer in the sense that he was employed as assistant cricket coach at Shrewsbury Schoool. But I agree that "cricket (which he played professionally)" is very misleading. JH (talk page) 16:59, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Beecham and Barbirolli

We say they "cordially disliked one another". Is there a reference for this? Beecham's dislike of Malcolm Sargent is legendary, but I wasn't aware about this one. -- JackofOz (talk) 03:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Quite agree that such a strong statement should be explicitly referenced but there is a certain piquancy, given that Cardus's own climb to fame as an illustrious cricket writer was so much based on a cavalier disregard for that pedantic benchmark called accuracy? And he has to carry a good share of the blame for the abysmal genre of 'fine writing' about cricket which has blighted the game and bookshelves in the last century? User: also from Rusholme

Cardus's marriage

"Cricketing folklore has it that Cardus went to the opening overs of the Lancashire v Yorkshire match, left the ground to get married, and returned in time to see the pre-lunch overs, reporting that the score had barely changed." The story comes from Cardus himself, and can be found somewhere in one of his books, probably Autobiography. But that does not necessarily make it true, as Cardus wasn't always willing to let the facts stand in the way of a good story. ISTR reading somewhere that somebody had researched the story, and found that it couldn't possibly be true, as Lancashire weren't playing at home on the day that Cardus got married. JH (talk page) 18:18, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Article expansion

A project is on, to expand the article into something first class, worthy of the subject. An "under construction" banner will be in place while this process goes on. New material will be added, existing material expanded and in some cases replaced. In particular, the sources will be overhauled; for example, there is no justification for relying on the flimsy ADB biographical summary, when so many better alternatives exist.

The project may extend over a few weeks. The main editors in this process are likely to be Tim riley and myself; we'd be pleased to hear from anyone who has an interest in Cardus and has useful information, or maybe obscure sources on which we can draw, etc. The article will look untidy for a while, but it's probably not worth adding citation tags, or hidden messages, or looking for missing sources, since all of these issues will be dealt with in the course of the article's development. Brianboulton (talk) 21:49, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

I wish the project well, though I doubt that I can contribute anything that you aren't already aware of. JH (talk page) 08:45, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your interest. Please fel free to add comments, criticisms etc as the project progresses. Brianboulton (talk) 16:37, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations to all those involved in getting the article to FA status and featured on today's main page. JH (talk page) 09:01, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Other sources

Further to what I said on Brianboulton's talk page, I've had a quick look to see what I've got. I suspect there is little that you haven't already got in some shape or form, but briefly: there is a biography in Barclay's World of Cricket (3rd Edition) which covers his impact as a sports writer in general and as a cricket reporter, and there is a nice foreword by Arlott in The Roses Matches 1919–1939 which mentions some things about his style. I've also got a rather tetchy quasi-obituary from E. W. Swanton, but this does not add much except a description of his memorial service. I've misplaced one other anthology of his, which I recall had a foreword, but that might have been Arlott as well and probably added little new. In case anyone was thinking of checking, there's nothing really worthwhile in the Official Lancashire CCC history, which surprised me. I also seem to remember that I've got something on his habit of "inventing" cricketers' characters (I think it was Emmott Robinson who said "Mr Cardus, you invented me", or something similar) but I can't for the life of me find it anywhere. If you require anything further details on any of this, let me know and I can reproduce it more fully somewhere. Sarastro1 (talk) 20:46, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

• I don't have the Barclay's World of Cricket tribute, and I suspect that Tim won't have it, either. I suggest we wait until the article is in a reasonably complete draft form, and then decide whether these additional sources provide further insights or useful colour that we can incorporate. I do, however, have quite a lot of cricket-oriented tributes and other such material, and we have to be careful to maintain the balance in the article, bearing in mind that Cardus was a leading music critic, too; in his own eyes, that was his principal vocation. The Robinson-related anecdote is covered in Daniels's book, and I'll incorporate it appropriately. Brianboulton (talk) 10:14, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Talking about his memorial service, the 1976 Wisden reprints Alan Gibson's address at that service to serve as his obituary. There was also a tribute by John Arlott in the 1965 edition. I imagine that both pieces will be available online at the usual place, but if not then I have the editions in question. JH (talk page) 21:40, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

• I think we have this material, but thanks for your interest, and further suggestions will be welcome. Brianboulton (talk) 10:14, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Books on by Cardus

The titles in this section have not been correctly capitalised per MOS:CT.122.172.47.199 (talk) 13:00, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

There is no such section in the article. Could you be more precise and more specific about which titles you mean? Tim riley (talk) 13:24, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Ack, fixed section header. By titles, I mean the book names are capitalised wrong on occasion. For eg, I see a capitalised "On" and "in".122.172.47.199 (talk) 14:44, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Well spotted. No doubt you will wish to amend accordingly. Tim riley (talk) 14:52, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

I tried to trace Summer Place, and found https://rusholmearchive.org/1971-photographic-survey, which has several images of Summer Place, Rusholme, online.  As far as I remember, Rusholme seems to have developed in towards central Manchester and not outwards.  What's shown on the reference page I quote isn't exactly congruent with the back-to-backs you show, but it's a complex district. It might turn out that folk in-migrating to Manchester from the south, as my great-grandparents did, populated Rusholme and its neighbour, Moss Side, more or less in the streets newly developed at the time of their arrival.Delahays (talk) 15:07, 12 April 2019 (UTC)