Talk:Neuilly (disambiguation)

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On 17 March 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Neuilly (disambiguation). The result of the discussion was not moved.

On 18 December 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Neuilly (disambiguation) to Neuilly (disambiguation). The result of the discussion was moved.

Should redirect to Neuilly-sur-Seine[edit]

This page should be moved to Neuilly (disambiguation) and should become a redirect to Neuilly-sur-Seine, which is by far the most common meaning of "Neuilly". Here is some evidence:

The lead of the Neuilly-sur-Seine article says that it is "also known simply as Neuilly"
As far as I can tell, every link to this page in fact intends to link to Neuilly-sur-Seine
Neuilly-sur-Seine gets about 100x as many page views as this dab page (14,999 vs. 155)
The next most popular pages are Neuilly-sur-Marne (197) and Neuilly-Plaisance(196)
The remaining places called Neuilly are small (population < 5000) or very small (population < 1000)
There are 1815 wikilinks to Neuilly-sur-Seine, 317 links to Neuilly-sur-Marne, and 85 to Neuilly-Plaisance
On Google, the search [Neuilly] returns an infobox on Neuilly-sur-Seine and all the organic results are about it
On Bing, the search [Neuilly] returns an infobox on Neuilly-sur-Seine and most of the organic results are about it
On britannica.com, the search [Neuilly] returns Neuilly-sur-Seine in position 1
In fact, Britannica.com doesn't even have articles on Neuilly-sur-Marne and Neuilly-Plaisance
Most other pages with "Neuilly" in their names are referring to Neuilly-sur-Seine: the Treaty of Neuilly-sur-Seine (commonly called the Treaty of Neuilly [1]); the Château de Neuilly; the Pont de Neuilly; the Synagogue de Neuilly; only Fulk of Neuilly refers to Neuilly-sur-Marne

--Macrakis (talk) 19:22, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress[edit]

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Neuilly-sur-Seine which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 18:00, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 18 December 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Reading Beans (talk) 16:41, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neuilly → Neuilly (disambiguation) – A March 2023 RM disagreed with the idea that Neuilly-sur-Seine should be moved to Neuilly; however, per the discussion, it's clear that this is the most-likely destination for the term "Neuilly". A primary redirect was therefore created in May 2023. User:Joy has now instead moved the disambiguation page to the basename. My proposal is to restore the primary redirect; opening this up for formal discussion. 162 etc. (talk) 21:52, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As mentioned at Talk:Neuilly-sur-Seine#Post-RM comment, the trick is to distinguish between most popular topic and primary topic. If we actually don't see e.g. 80-90% of readers being happy to see the short-circuiting, and instead we see a lot of them reaching for the navigation aids (hatnote), then presenting a list seems more prudent. The first position in the list should remain as is per MOS:DABCOMMON so I don't think any average reader will ever be confused. --Joy (talk) 21:56, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment the page says it is a set index, so it should move to Neuilly (set index) or List of places in France named Neuilly ;; if it is moved -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 05:13, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Clear primary redirect, although I would agree that the commune should remain at the present title. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:08, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support (tentatively) but need clarity as to what the proposal is here. If I understand correctly, the idea is for "Neuilly" to redirect to "Neuilly-sur-Seine" and for this page to be simply "Neuilly (disambiguation)", correct? If so then I support it. That was the March 2023 consensus. As noted, a hatnote was added at "Neuilly-sur-Seine" that redirects to "Neuilly (disambiguation)". Walrasiad (talk) 02:25, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That wasn't the consensus in March 2023 :) and it shouldn't be now; the standard of primary topic by usage is that it has to be "highly likely—much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term". When we see that the hatnote got consistent traffic that is quite noticable in comparison, this is suspect. --Joy (talk) 16:09, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The disambiguation page was moved on 18th December but that made no significant difference to page views[2]. If the move had decreased the number of lost editors, then there should have been a decrease. (In fact there is an increase, from an average of 1.8 views of the disambiguation page per day to 3.9 views per day, presumably caused by increased interest generated by the requested move.) In addition, note before the move that there was a spike (in August) of people viewing the redirect[3], but there was no corresponding spike in views of the disambiguation page. Consequently, I'm not persuaded that people redirected to Neuilly-sur-Seine from Neuilly are lost. Celia Homeford (talk) 09:46, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.