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Undue weight on "socialism" claim?[edit]

Pretty sure the inclusion of "socialism" in the infobox is undue weight given that it is one author being cited and I cannot find any English sources describing the NUP as a socialist party. I have also never come across any NUP publications in English calling itself socialist, but there may be more Burmese sources that confirm this. I cannot find it anymore for some reason, but the English version of the Burmese Myanmar Times article being cited also omits the last sentence in the original article which states, "The [National Unity] Party's policy is socialism". It is the only time such a claim is mentioned in the original Burmese article. I wonder if the original author made a mistake in assuming that the NUP is socialist because it is the successor to the BSPP? CentreLeftRight ✉ 07:55, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • There is a claim that many NUP members are posting on social media that NUP's ideology is Social Democracy. This the one posted by a page with Burmese name of NUP;

https://www.facebook.com/104093800986333/posts/287463942649317/

  • In the constitution of NUP (as of 2010 version) there are descriptions which may mean that NUP reforms by inheriting the "Correlation of Man and His environment" the ideology of BSPP and objectivly considering the experience of the BSPP,

that the way or programme, policies and practice of NUP are Burmese Way for the benefit of the people, Independent National Economic Policy, and Middle Way. There are many broad explainations. I can't find any English translation of it. Here is the link to original Burmese one hosted on the official website of Union Election Commission: http://www.uec.gov.mm/show_data_content.php%3Fname%3D2_TYTSNYAP.pdf%26type%3Dpage_multiple_photo%26code%3D40%26sno%3D7212%26token%3D24d3da66b31ddd68ba56a33f2b16c3116cbeb9fc7d030e6e8e5bb6c0c42b6449f1c61be771653b623873762bc0b8629afe9acfc6167fa643b142472090f53038&ved=2ahUKEwiOo9qpzqX2AhX1meYKHd2zCas4ChAWegQIHBAB&usg=AOvVaw20R619-VcR0L0YjiXz1dOY

  • Whenever talking about their ideologies, they usually say these three things which may mean

"Public welfare","Burmese Way for the benefit of the people", "Middle Way". http://www.mdn.gov.mm/my/ttiungrngsaacnnylunnnyiinnyttrepttiik-lngttiue-muuwd-sbheaathaa-lupngncny-csnnyttiukiu

  • Here is the official Facebook page of NUP that start posting with its three programme/policy/practice:


"Burmese Way for the Benefit of the People" https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2585693281461452&id=2585683911462389
"Ideology for Public Welfare" https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2585695124794601&id=2585683911462389
"Middle Way Practice" https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2585692591461521&id=2585683911462389

  • [Note that translations are done by me not official ones, as I only refer to those written in Burmese] နေနီဝန်း (talk) 19:38, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@နေနီဝန်း: Would you say then that the descriptions of the NUP as "federalist, nationalist, and populist" are outdated or misrepresentative from what you have read in Burmese articles and primary sources (i.e. posts and documents by the NUP)?
I also do not think that public welfare, the Burmese Way for the benefit of the people and "Middle Way" (or maybe translated as third way) politics are necessarily socialist in nature. It would be a lot easier to confirm this point that the NUP is socialist if there were more Burmese or English sources that explicitly say the NUP is socialist. CentreLeftRight ✉ 01:18, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Outdated Information[edit]

U Than Tin died on 14 January 2021. There was changes in leadership. I sourced from the official blue-marked page of the NUP but someone removed it just because it is from Facebook without further checking the source. What's wrong with it? Isn't Wikipedia reliable any more? Also the flag is outdated since 2016. နေနီဝန်း (talk) 05:49, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I previously sourced for position changes, from an official report from NUP's blue-marked Facebook page. But someone (i.e. user:Vif12vf) deleted it without checking, blaming me for "poorly sourced" just because of Facebook. So I and we have to find from "reliable" sources outside of Facebook.

  • Here is source for U Than Tin's death : [U Than Tin, the third chairman of NUP, passed away] (Date: 15 January 2021)

https://voiceofmyanmarnews.com/news/2021/01/15/%E1%80%90-%E1%80%85-%E1%80%8A-%E1%80%95%E1%80%AB%E1%80%90%E1%80%AE%E1%80%9B%E1%80%B2%E1%80%B7-%E1%80%90%E1%80%90%E1%80%AD%E1%80%9A%E1%80%99%E1%80%BC%E1%80%B1%E1%80%AC%E1%80%80%E1%80%BA%E1%80%A5/

  • Here is source for U Han Shwe being described as NUP chairman (Date: 14 February 2022)

https://www.peoplemediamyanmar.com/%E1%80%91%E1%80%AC%E1%80%9D%E1%80%9B%E1%81%BF%E1%80%84%E1%80%AD%E1%80%99%E1%80%B9%E1%80%B8%E1%80%81%E1%80%BA%E1%80%99%E1%80%B9%E1%80%B8%E1%80%B1%E1%80%9B%E1%80%B8%E1%80%9B%E1%80%9B%E1%80%BD%E1%80%AD/

  • Here is the source for flag change in 2016 (Date: 19 November 2016)

http://burmese.dvb.no/archives/176669

  • Here is the source for "BSPP renamed to NUP"

https://www.burmalibrary.org/sites/burmalibrary.org/files/obl/docs3/BPS88-09.pdf (The original source is 27 September 1988 Working People Daily)

Stop blindly blaming without properly checking what's wrong. နေနီဝန်း (talk) 08:18, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The current flag of NUP is non-free as it includes party logo (which is non-free) in the centre. So, can anyone consider fair use? Or ask permission to use from NUP? နေနီဝန်း (talk) 08:18, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing Facebook[edit]

User:Vif12vf said "never used Facebook as a source" and blamed me for "poorly sourced". You must noticed that the party logo is sourced from Facebook. I have seen logos of some other parties that sourced from Facebbok. In Myanmar, "Facebook = Internet" for many ordinary people. Most political parties don't have website but have Facebook page. Mr. Vif12vf What is you criteria for saying the sourcing from an official report from a blue-marked page of a political party as "poorly sourced"? နေနီဝန်း (talk) 08:17, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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