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Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on March 22, 2010.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the erotic Indian classical dance Mohiniattam is named after the seductress supreme of Hindu mythology – Mohini (pictured), the female avatar of the male god Vishnu?

Dating of Shrimad Bhagavat[edit]

In Shrimad Bhagavat ( Srimad_Bhagavatam )'s Eighth Skand ( Chapter ) and 8th Athyay where Mohini swaroop of Vishnu is mentioned ; there is mention that Vasant ritu is in Vaishakh month. But, in today's time Vaishakh month is proper summer ritu. ( Ritu = season ) Which means that 3 months of change in Ritu w.r.t. month. It's proved by all scientists that in 2000 years of time around 1 month of season change take place. So, 2-3 months of change will correspond to 4,000 - 6,000 years. i.e. 4000 BC - 2000 BC, which coincides with IVC period. Read http://www.crystalinks.com/precession.html on precession of equinoxes. Read last photo properly where Earth's Orbit today and on it's left 5,000 years ago is shown.

This is very good example of dating Sanskrit scriptures using Scientific points like Precession of equinoxes. WIN 10:53, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This article is a bit ISKCON-heavy. There are lots of myths about Mohini, I read a Kerala myth that she had a brief tryst with Shiva and produced a king. And Prabhupada's sexist views are undoubtedly biased, so it's not NPOV. Can anyone provide more info and leave aside the commentaries? I'd really want to read more about Mohini.--Snowgrouse 19:53, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edited for NPOV out of ISKCON-heaviness, and a short passage of the Shiva, Mohini and Vyappan.--Snowgrouse 20:46, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Snowgrouse, I agree with your editing for NPOV, but strongly disagree with your labeling of Prabhupada as sexist on this discussion page. See the below quotations from people who spent a great deal of time in his service:
"By accepting women in the temples and giving them the brahmacarini status, Prabhupada was not pretending: he gave them all the same rights and duties of the brahmacaris in the guru's ashrama. The same thing applied when he gave them Brahman initiation. The women devotees had exactly the same spiritual activities, the same tasks, the same possibilities to progress spiritually and they were entitled to the same respect. At that time everything was done according to the abilities and the spiritual advancement of a person and not according to sex. Prabhupada did not make any distinction." Women in ISKCON in Prabhupada's Times
"Srila Prabhupada allowed women disciples to perform aratika and deity worship in major temples. This had never been done in any major public [Vaishnava] temples in India before."Time Place and Circumstances
Best Wishes, Gouranga(UK) 15:59, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Moved ISCKON material[edit]

Moved ISKCON related material to The Mysterious Pastimes of Mohini-murti. Only two brief comments were left as it is the only commentary on Mohini-lila. Thanks. Bhaktivonode

Removed comments. Three links provided to known Mohini-lila have been added. Thanks. March 26, 2007Bhaktivonode

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Mohini/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: S Masters (talk) 16:10, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
    All references appear to be in order.
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
    Article covers major aspects and remains focued on its topic.
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
    Article complies with WP:NPOV.
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
    Article appears to be stable.
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
    Images comply to fair use requirements and are properly captioned.
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Comments:

  • Some captions have fullstops/periods and others do not. Please ensure that it is consistent throughout.
  • The Mohini legend became popular later retold and was expanded in several later texts and also was celebrated in dance. - Grammar errors in "became popular later retold".
    • Maybe The Mohini legend became popular, and was later retold, expanded in several later texts, and celebrated in dance.? The meaning changes a bit with that, so check that it matches intent. The desire to tack on stuff with "also..." to lists that already end with "and..." or "also..." is tempting on a wiki, but wikis need facts and polish. :) --an odd name 07:58, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Words such as "Hindu", "transgender", etc. should be wikified on the first mention.
  • Similar tales are also told about demons Surpanaka, Nontok, Virochana and Araka. - Are these all demons? If so, then it should be "...the demons...".
  • Mohini-Krishna is described to marry the Tamil god Aravan. - Incorrect grammar.
  • Hyphens are used instead of dashes, see WP:DASH.
  • Later versions of the Mahabharata, especially south Indian editions, add few more lines about Mohini identifying her as the maya of Vishnu... - What is "maya"? Terms not familiar to the vast majority of international English language readers need to be wikified on first mention, or defined.
  • There are minor punctuation issues throughout.
  • The above are just some examples of prose issues found in the first few sections of the article.

Summary: Generally, this article has good potential to be a Good Article, however, it has numerous prose issues that prevent it from becoming one. In addition, there are some copyedit and wikilinking issues as listed above. The role of a GA reviewer is not to be a proof reader for articles. I suggest that a third-party, professional-level English language editor, go through the article to correct these issues. You may wish to try someone at WP:GOCE. I will allow seven days for these improvements and fixes to be made, before making any further decisions.

So...I've been contacted at GOCE/Requests to help fix this article. BUT, it's a mess. I see the reviewer has started a seven-day clock on repairs. I shall sort this beast out by then. Wish me luck... NielsenGW (talk) 13:30, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
==>Started off bold. Cut down the intro to just relate origin, meaning, and importance. We can leave the detailed story-telling to the inner sections. I plan on having a very large Legends section running the reader through the basic mythology, then into variations of the story, then into other stories where Mohini plays an important role. Then we'll do a worship section, and finish with the customs/dances/ceremonies. Seems logical enough. I got a barnstar riding on this, so I figured I'd really do a job. NielsenGW (talk) 01:22, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
==>Can someone please shrink the lead image? It's way too big and takes a large portion of the header of the article. 200px should be big enough. NielsenGW (talk) 02:10, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There is no facility to decrease img size in the infobox.--Redtigerxyz Talk 11:35, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Added img size to template and corrected. --Redtigerxyz Talk 14:17, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
DONE...let's see what the reviewer has to say about it now. NielsenGW (talk) 21:12, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • मोहिनी should be part of the lead, next to the name of the article, and it should be presented using the {{lang}} tag.
Done. --Redtigerxyz Talk 06:31, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Shiva then extols Vishnu's power.[11][13][26][27][28]" There is no need for so many references for one sentence. If the references refer to other parts of the paragraph, then put the references where they belong. If not, then choose the best two references and remove the rest. Do the same whenever you see more than two references.
  • The picture that causes the heading "Other legends" to be indented looks messy. Move it up so that it is not indented.
Done by somebody else. --Redtigerxyz Talk 06:31, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The picture of the Mohiniyattam performer causes a huge white space to appear on the left. Rearrange it to fix the white space.
Check. Removed clear tag that created the space. Else the only soln is to remove the img. --Redtigerxyz Talk 06:31, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Mohini pillar picture is causing two headings to be indented. Move it right, and adjust all the other pictures accordingly to allow for a pleasing layout.
Done. --Redtigerxyz Talk 06:31, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is a single page in the reference with "pp.".
We are nearly there. Thanks to all the editors that have worked hard to get this right. Just a bit more to go. -- S Masters (talk) 05:25, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done all. --Redtigerxyz Talk 13:46, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Final comments: Thank you for all the hard work in making this a better article. I am now satisfied that the article now meets all the requirements to be a Good Article, and I am happy to pass it. -- S Masters (talk) 14:40, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot. --Redtigerxyz Talk 15:57, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There is no such story in 'Brahma Vaivarta Purana' as mentioned here[edit]

There is absolutely no such Dirty story about 'Mohini' and 'Brahma' in 'Brahma Vaivarta Purana'. .The Article in this Wikipedia page is actually throwing dirt on 'Hinduism'. .This is really cheap. .I went through the Link provided. .It shows some Random Article by a Western Lady and even she has not mentioned about such an Article in 'Brahma Vaivarta Purana'. .This is really an Anti-Hindu Article, mocking our Religion. . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.202.112.108 (talk) 13:37, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to have to oppose the removal of such text. A verifiable secondary source makes the claims, so inclusion seems the only real answer. I really don't see the 'Anti-Hindu' bias in this article. If your only concern is that it offends you personally, I'm deeply sorry but Wikipedia is not censored and we can't exclude something from discussion just because it is offensive. However, if you can find a verifiable source that states that such a story is not in the Brahma Vaivarta Purana, please bring it to our attention. -Achowat (talk) 14:41, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

'Brahma Vaivarta Purana' is a Vaishnava Literature praising 'Vishnu' and his Incranations. .I went through 'Brahma Vaivarta Purana'. .It has 4 Sections. .'Brahma Vaivarta Purana' consists of 4 Parts and 32 Chapters. .All the Chapters are provided in the below site. .No such 'Indecent Story' occurs in 'Brahma Vaivarta Purana'. .Should an American Source be used to Post Indecent Articles against Hinduism ??? . If there was an Good source, then it would not have been a problem. .For example Cite the Translation of 'Brahma Vaivarta Purana' as a source. .Its a Request. . . If u can find a Credible source, then im okay with that Article. .But if not, please remove that piece of Article which is an Insult to Hindu Gods. .And how can you say this is a Personal view. .The Author herself is under attack by 'Hindus' and more importantly 'American Hindus' for her Misinterpretations of Hindu Religion and Mythologies. .

SOURCE for the Summaries of 32 Complete Chapters of 'BRAHMA VAIVARTA PURANA'. .Please go through all the Chapters and show me where such a Story Arises ?? . http://www.astrojyoti.com/brahmavaivartapurana.htm . And actually thinking about it. There is only one Author from whose Sources such Nasty and Dirty Stuffs about Hinduism is portrayed, Wendy Doniger and no other source. Even the homosexual thing portrayed in this Book is from Wendy. She is a Controversial figure among Hindus in America itself for Misinterpreting and Demonizing Hinduism. And what was the secondary source you were talking about ?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.196.140.217 (talk) 04:28, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This story does exist in the Brahma Vaivarta Purana [1]. However, I am removing the para as it is not clear if the Mohini in question is the Vishnu avatar or an apsara. Probably the latter. --Redtigerxyz Talk 04:47, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Meaning of Mohini[edit]

There are more knowledgeable people here, but "delusion personified" doesn't sound Mohini to someone who uses the word in normal language. For example, Mohini is also a popular name for girls - no one would call their daughter "delusion personified" hopefully (you never know). "Temptation incarnate" is more like it. Illusion is Maya (that too not delusion - tempting in the sense of desired sights). Moha is temptation/greed/lust. Maya moha together is like temptation of illusion - worldly greed. I am no religious scholar, but the word is fairly common. You don't need to be a scholar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.181.33.48 (talk) 19:39, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The translation given for Mohini "to enchant, perplex, or disillusion." Can this be correct, as "enchant" and "disillusion" mean opposite things? Perhaps "enchant, perplex, delude" as this follows the sense of the rest of the paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iasonaki (talk • contribs) 12:47, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Meaning of 7th sentence, in para 2[edit]

How did this sentence pass through the checks? Can anyone decipher it?Iztwoz (talk) 21:50, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

some user added that undue. removed. --Redtigerxyz Talk 16:17, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Have noticed that much of the removed sentence is repeated in the very last sentence of the article. What is a Ustav? I've made a guess at 'festival'? Also does the last phrase 'after Samudra manthan' have any meaning here? Thanks Iztwoz (talk) 07:23, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Removed as unreferenced. Utsav is festival. --Redtigerxyz Talk 16:21, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Mohini[edit]

Who is Mohini 103.102.28.127 (talk) 17:15, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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