Talk:Miracle at the New Meadowlands

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Mistakenly placed AfD votes[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
AFD was closed as Keep.[1] Dreadstar ☥ 17:48, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep Rationale - The Miracle at the Meadowlands has a great article, rating as B-Class on the project's quality scale and a Mid-importance rating on the project's importance scale. (See its talk page. This article should have an equal opportunity to succeed. 71.225.99.75 (talk) 22:01, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep- This article is only being challenged by disgruntled Giants fans. There was an NFL first (Jackson's TD) and as time passes, will be remembered as a marquee game of the 2010 season. This game was a remarkable comeback. Jmpenzone (talk) 16:03, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep- Not only is it one of the greatest comebacks in NFL history with an amazing late in the 4th quarter turnaround and won on the last play, Jackson's punt return for a touchdown, but the term "Miracle at the New Meadowlands" does exist likely coined first by Mick Quick on 94.1 FM WYSP in Philadelphia(the call then rebroadcast nationwide on ESPN radio), talking to Merrill Reese, but as another poster mentioned Wikipedia itself already hosts an article on the first "Miracle at the Meadowlands" which holds rationale for this one existing.(149.168.171.201 (talk) 19:03, 20 December 2010 (UTC))[reply]

Keep- Unique in that this was the only NFL game to end on a game-winning punt-return touchdown. Game nickname "Miracle at the New Meadowlands" being used in sports news headlines: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/Another_Miracle_at_the_Meadowlands.html ; http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/23216/eagles-deliver-miracle-in-the-meadowlands —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.47.111.74 (talk) 19:10, 20 December 2010 (UTC) This article should not be deleted. "Miracle at the New Meadowlands" is a great title; so is "The Return" or "The Comeback II" I'm a Redskins fan and I think it was amazing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.253.219.44 (talk) 00:00, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - as soon as the game was played, everybody from the fans to the players to the media instantly brought up the historic nature of the game and how it'll be remembered for years to come. While it's obviously not known if it will be remembered as much as the other miracle games, there's no denying that it deserves a Wikipedia article due to the historic nature of the comeback. RPH (talk) 00:19, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note to everyone above: this talk page is not the Articles for Deletion page. If you would like to voice your opinion on the status of this article, please go to the AfD page. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:13, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The AFD is now closed as Keep. Please make no further comments on the closed AFD. Dreadstar ☥ 17:48, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Packers not eliminated if Giants had won[edit]

To my best knowledge the Packers would not have been eliminated had the Giants won, neither outright as the would have been one game behind with two left to play, nor eventually, as they would have won the tiebreaker over the Buccaneers, with the Eagles at 9-7, or would have won a three-way tiebreaker over the Eagles and Buccaneers if the Eagles would have won the now meaningful game over the Cowboys.

I do have doubts about showboating[edit]

This was written in the article about DeSean Jackson running parallel to the goal line before stepping across for the touchdown:

"though some observers believed it to be due to his showboating nature"

I have my doubts about that, because the article includes Jackson's own statement about making sure time had run out, and I have read of that regarding other plays. Even leaving only 1 second on the clock would have required a kickoff after the extra-point try. I think John T. Reed, author of a clock-management reference, made some statement about running parallel to the goal line (in the manner since done here by Jackson).

There is past showboating history by Jackson. In his article on Wikipedia, it's noted that in a high-school game, he tried to somersault as he reached goal line, but lost the touchdown when he misjudged his leap (landing on 1-yard line and was ruled to have left the ball there). And in the same article, it's noted that he lost what was to have been his 1st NFL touchdown by flicking the ball away a little too soon (Dallas Cowboys, the opposing team, challenged the on-field call of touchdown and successfully got it overturned); in other words, he literally threw that TD away. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.20 (talk) 20:21, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not a "walk-off" touchdown[edit]

Despite media claims to the contrary, there is no such thing as a "walk-off" touchdown, unless we're talking about sudden-death styles of overtime. Jackson's return was the final play of the game, as he ran out the clock at the end, but the touchdown did not cause the end of the game. The definition of a walk-off home run, for example, is one that ends the game immediately and thus causes the players to then "walk-off" the field. As such, Jackson's run may be the first time that a game ever ended with a punt return for a touchdown that won a game, but it does not qualify as a game-ending play in itself.

There are a number of other NPOV, tone, and style issues in the article, but I just don't have the time to fix them all right now. – Runfellow (talk) 22:44, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In case anyone is wondering, I did Wikipedia search for NPOV and found "neutral point of view".

As for the touchdown: it was NOT the final play of the game, but it did cause the end of the game. It was not the final play of the game, because NFL rules require the extra-point attempt if the TD was part of the regulation game (i.e., not in sudden-death overtime), because points-for and points-against are used by some tie-breakers. It did cause the end of the game, because it did clinch the game for the Eagles (the extra-point attempt, although required by NFL rule, had no effect on this); without the TD, the game would have continued into the overtime period. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.20 (talk) 15:51, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it seems to me that if NFL rules require that the PAT be attempted, the game did not end until after that play was run. You can also have an untamed down after the clock runs out if the defense has committed a foul and the offense accepts the penalty. I don't know if a game has ever been won on such a play but it wouldn't surprise me. Wschart (talk) 13:36, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That's "untimed", not "untamed". Dwayne Rudd committed a foul on the last clocked play which directly led to a loss: He took off his helmet and threw it, thinking the play and the game were over, but they weren't, thus the foul. The penalty was tacked onto the end of the play, and the other team used the untimed play to kick winning field goal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.20 (talk) 22:24, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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