Talk:Mira Costa High School

Land

I read somewhere, maybe in "A Walk Beside the Sea" or some other local history book, that the land Costa is built on was taken from Japanese people interned during World War II. I know wikipedia is sometimes used by organizations as a second home page, but this unflattering fact (if true) deserves to see the light of day.

Does anyone have a source that can refute this? Where did the city get the land? Does anyone have "A Walk Beside the Sea?"

See https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0263775820909836: "By 1950, a portion of the Uyematsu’s former Manhattan Beach “estate” became the site of Mira Costa High School." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keweln (talk • contribs) 16:21, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism

Someone vandalized this page with consecutive edits. I reverted it back to the last clean version. Hopefully we won't have to lock this down...

  I changed the principal's name as it was clearly wrong.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spencereness (talk • contribs) 19:11, 2 June 2009 (UTC) 

A lock down may be recommended an anonymous user (71.249.238.137) has been making edits with seeming large contributions or spelling corrections but changes the meaning of the sentence or section to be inappropriate. I restored the page to the last clean one I could find. (Drewerd (talk) 03:38, 27 June 2010 (UTC))

Changed Page

Frozenkatkiller and I changed the page completely. The new page is based off the template of the Huntington Beach High School wiki article. No real history information has been added yet so please contribute. The tags above have been removed.

Frozenkatkiller? Heheh i know you. Go play Maple Story

Fauver

Tedder, I'm reverting your deletion. Did you notice I changed the heading from "Notable teachers" to "Outstanding teachers"? Fauver is an outstanding Mira Costa teacher, as is amply cited. This article is about that school. Almost all the details would be trivial by themselves, not being notable in and of themselves, but only in the context of the local school. This is fine for this article. It doesn't make sense to note the robotics program, the band, the choir, the orchestra, the color guard, etc., none of which are notable in and of themselves but, like Mr. Fauver, important only in the context of the school, while refusing to note the best-known, most famous teacher currently within the school. He's the "biggest" teacher there, and you're refusing to acknowledge him. Even Whirry, indisputably notable outside the Mira Costa context, does not have a WP bio. Regards, Yopienso (talk) 16:31, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Notability/outstandingness is defined by Mira Costa on Wikipedia, it's defined by Wikipedia's guidelines. Whirry doesn't have a bio but fairly clearly meets the standards. The reason I've suggested you write an article on Fauver, because Wikipedia has a process for evaluating the notability of individuals- and it isn't through leaving questionable material on school article pages. tedder (talk) 17:18, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

What is questionable? Did you check the citations? Do you doubt Fauver is famous in the school? Should we delete the band and orchestra and robotics and all the other stuff that's entirely non-notable outside the school? (It's hard to express attitudes in writing sometimes. I'm not upset or demanding, just trying to be logical.) Regards, Yopienso (talk) 17:34, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't doubt Fauver is famous in the school. That's fine. The other stuff, besides WP:OSE falls under WP:WPSCH/AG. It does need to be summarized more concisely. That's why I removed lists of students this morning. The general lists of sports teams also need to be removed, replaced by notable titles (State titles generally, but CIF-SS is okay) and any other notable events (if, for instance, they had a famous coach or some other newsworthy event). tedder (talk) 17:37, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

OK. thanks for your work. Fyi, I have no iron in this fire. Can't remember how I came across the article, but it had a tag on it and I tried to help. I'd never heard of the school before. Yopienso (talk) 19:32, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Fauver could fit in this article, along with other teachers who have received Countywide or greater recognition (LA is a very large county, after all), but there seems to be too much current detail in his paragraph. And if he fits, ther are dozens of other teachers over the school's history who would fit in such a list, which would require breaking it out into a standalone list article and then defending it at AfD. Good luck.--Hjal (talk) 20:06, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Guidelines for school articles

These are at Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools/Article guidelines. It would be nice if this article followed them. Dougweller (talk) 17:30, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Mac and Devin Go to High School

I just wrote up a little summary of a controversy that occurred during the filming of a Snoop Dogg movie at Costa, and thought it's filming at Costa should be mentioned in the TV and Film section. Anyone with the admin privileges to do so should add it!--MyNameIsJason (talk) 06:59, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Removal of school activities

@Drmies: Please restore the material I verified and cited. It's pretty standard to list school activities. I am not promoting the school: I've never seen it, don't know anybody who ever went there, have no vested interest whatsoever in it. Thanks, YoPienso (talk) 03:01, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

• No it's not--it's a ridiculously long list of non-notable, unverified, promotional things. Seriously: "Dance team--The Mira Costa Dance Team is a varsity team which has won many awards for its excellence and professionalism. Mira Costa Key Club--The Mira Costa Key Club is a community service club that is the High School subsidiary of the Mira Costa Kiwanis." That's not verified or standard. And even if it were verified, we still wouldn't include it. Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools/Article guidelines. Drmies (talk) 03:04, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Delete that stuff if you must, but not the appearances at Carnegie or the Grammy grant, etc. Compare Miss Porter's School. YoPienso (talk) 03:07, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

You go ahead and delete that stuff. The moment you reinstate 12k of promotional drivel, you take ownership of it. Drmies (talk) 03:34, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

...but thanks for the suggestion. Drmies (talk) 03:41, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Notable alumni inclusion criteria

This list started out as very inclusive. I trimmed it down to include only entries that were referenced or that had their own Wikipedia article that mentioned Mira Costa. Then TJRC removed many of the entries with comments indicating that the inclusion criteria should be both their own Wikipedia article and a citation here. An anonymous editor (205.129.3.235} has recently restored some entries using https://miracostaalumni.com/ as a source. There are many articles like this with sections like this. There must be a guideline we can agree on here. ~Kvng (talk) 14:39, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

"TJRC removed many of the entries with comments indicating that the inclusion criteria should be both their own Wikipedia article and a citation here"; No, that's not correct a correct characterization of what I wrote. My edit summary was "Do not add entries here unless there is either a Wikipedia article or some other indication to show that they are notable; and do not add any entries without a cite to a reliable source showing they are alumni". in other words: 1) don't add people unless they are notable; and 2) show notability either through them having a wikipedia article or with "some other indication to show that they are notable."

Do you object to that? Which part? TJRC (talk) 00:03, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

@TJRC: No I don't have a problem with your last two points but you removed many entries for subjects who have their own Wikipedia articles and are therefore presumably notable. Your edit comment there was "rm unsourced entries that have been flagged as needing cites for well over a year." I assume this was based on the other part of your criteria "and do not add any entries without a cite to a reliable source showing they are alumni." I don't agree with that part. I think such a citation is required only if their alumni status is challenged. Do you have a reason to question that the entries you deleted are alumni? ~Kvng (talk) 04:34, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

The list was tagged as requiring sources. That is their alumni status is challenged. The requirement for sourcing applies to list entries. Verifiablility is a core principle of Wikipedia, and it applies to list entries just as it does to everything else. See WP:SOURCELIST. The list had been tagged for cleanup for lack of sourcing for almost a year and a half. That was long enough.

I don't object to including notable individuals. I do object to not complying with WP:Verifiability. It's pointless to leave a section tagged for cleanup for an extensive period instead of cleaning it up. TJRC (talk) 06:36, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

NO:DEADLINES. There was an unresolved disagreement between you and me about whether that tag was needed. That disagreement should have been resolved before the material was deleted. We're working on that now. The articles on alumni you removed indicate that these people attended Mira Costa. What additional verification are you looking for? ~Kvng (talk) 15:07, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Sources in this article, not somewhere else. TJRC (talk) 16:36, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

We disagree. Like I said at the top, there are a lot of these lists on WP. There must be some prior discussion of inclusion criteria for them. I will go take a tour when I have a moment. ~Kvng (talk) 23:37, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Seriously: See WP:SOURCELIST. TJRC (talk) 03:47, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

I apologize for not being aware of that. Is it your intention to remove all the entries that are not reliably sourced here? Do you consider the alumni association's web site to be a reliable source? ~Kvng (talk) 15:15, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Everything seems to be sourced now; There was no source for "Danny Strong", but I've added one.

The alumni association probably isn't a WP:RS, since it looks to be self-published, but it's probably at least mostly correct; so I'm not nearly as bothered by using an imperfect source as I am by having no source at all.

In-article lists like these, particularly for schools, can accrete a lot of unreliable information, in part because they attract edits from students there who have picked up potentially dubious information, and seek to inflate information about the school, because they have the usual justifiable school pride. Questionable updates are possible in any in-article lists, of course, but the problem seems to be exacerbated in high school and university lists. TJRC (talk) 22:42, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

I appreciate that. I'll point out that neither of us is advocating for a strict interpretation of WP:SOURCELIST here. My relaxed interpretation is a little looser than yours is all. ~Kvng (talk) 15:46, 2 February 2020 (UTC)