Talk:Miller Brothers 101 Ranch

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ALERT: 301 RE-DIRECT FROM THIS PAGE AND ANY WIKIPEDIA PAGE IS A VIOLATION OF WIKI'S TERMS OF SERVICE[edit]

101 RANCH EDITORS. Please monitor this page for 301 redirects. Please be aware that there has been recent vandalism of a page linked to the 101 Ranch page. A 301 redirect code was inserted redirecting the page to another website. The code was removed 09/05/2009 and the violation reported to Wikipedia.Tintle (talk) 17:26, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


The Miller Brothers called their Wild West Show by several names, all similar.

101 Ranch Wild West Show;
Miller Bros 101 Ranch Real Wild West Show;
Miller Brothers 101 Ranch Wild West Show;
Miller Brothers 101 Ranch Real Wild West Show;
Miller Bros 101 Ranch Wild West Circus;
Miller Brothers 101 Ranch Wild West Circus;
101 Ranch Wild West Circus.
Tintle 00:31, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Miller Bros[edit]

The photo of the former 101 ranch is beautiful. A date for that photo would be appreciated given that (sadly) the 101 Ranch no longer exists.--Tintle (talk) 15:20, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Information in this article has been verified. There is much myth and local legend about the Miller Bros and their show that is unverified. Please do not add amateur accounts and unverified ideas and opinions to this article. Thank you. --Tintle (talk) 23:12, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Inline citations would be much preferable to the current references section. This would make it easier to tell what can be/has been verified and what hasn't been. We can't really ask people to refrain from editing the article. Dekimasuよ! 04:41, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have put in a request to rename this article "Miller Brothers 101 Ranch Wild West Show" to free up the article title "Miller Brothers 101 Ranch." This will allow someone to research and publish a Wikipedia article about the 101 Ranch itself, as a working ranch. --Tintle (talk) 00:40, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The 101 Ranch Wild West show should be a subset of a larger article on the 101 Ranch.Jcmcapital (talk) 19:56, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I encourage you to have This article picked up as part of WikiProject Oklahoma.(talk) 20:32, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, so do so. The best way is to delete all this page (Miller Brothers 101 Ranch) content. Leave it blank so a more knowledgeable person can fill it with description of the ranch (including the wild west show).Jcmcapital (talk) 15:17, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see why information on the ranch (if the ranch is indeed notable) can't be added to the current location. As the ranch and the show appear to have been associated with each other, they can both be parts of one article. Given the number of titles for the show given above, and the fact that there's nothing to put in the article's place here now, I don't see a pressing need to move the article. Dekimasuよ! 04:41, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The ranch is the “Event’. The Wild West show is a “side show”. I agree, the show should be a subset portion of the ranch. But someone needs to deliver the body. of the Ranch Jcmcapital (talk) 02:20, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Whoever reformatted and added additional information to this page did a very good job. The information is historically accurate and presented in a scholarly, cogent fashion. --Tintle (talk) 14:41, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's good, but incomplete. Especially Info. about 101 Ranch Oil Company. Also, needed more depth about the ranch (which is now provided from article in Time Magazine @1929). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jcmcapital (talk • contribs) 19:52, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Disputes over page content are not dealt with by deleting the page. Likewise, disagreement over a policy or guideline is not dealt with by deleting it. Similarly, issues with an inappropriate user page can often be resolved through discussion with the user. The content issues should be discussed at the relevant talk page, and other methods of dispute resolution should be used first, such as listing on Wikipedia:Requests for comments for further input. Deletion discussions that are really unresolved content disputes may be closed by an administrator, and referred to the talk page or other appropriate forum.Jcmcapital (talk) 03:40, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It has been suggested that I communicate my suggestions about the 101 Ranch article directly to you. Why I do not understand, but I promised that I’d give it a try.

To this point, I recommend that you/we change the image (The Miller Brothers 101 Ranch Wild West Show wagons) to this:

101 ranch Wild West Show Brochure.

. It is more suitable for the subject.

I also recommend that you/we expand the presentation on the 101 Ranch Oil Company and E. W. Marland to this: “The ranch also held extensive oil reserves that were discovered by oil exploration pioneer E. W. Marland who in 1908 founded the 101 Ranch Oil Company. The company’s 1911 oil discovery in North Eastern Oklahoma opened up oil development in a great region in the Eastern and North Central Oklahoma and lead to the founding of the Marland Oil Company, later renamed the Continental Oil Company, Conoco”. This is from the Wikipedia page on the 101 Ranch Oil Company. It offers a broader presentation. Perhaps a footnote referencing the 1960 Moody’s credit rating page (on the Continental Oil Company) would be appropriate. I am writing and expanding the section on the 101 Ranch (not the Wild West Show). I’ll deliver and edit the page it when it is ready.Jcmcapital (talk) 02:36, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I am the person who originally added the edit referencing the 1987 fire that destroyed the ranch store. Today, I have removed the subsequent edit to that contribution, which states that the store was operated by Joe Miller's girlfriend and that she died in the fire. I don't know the source of that information, but it certainly is not consistent with the article cited in the footnote. I seriously doubt its accuracy for several reasons: (1) Joe Miller died in 1927; (2) at the time he was married; (3) Joe Miller's former wife moved to Michigan after his death and did not return to Oklahoma; (4) the store was originally saved from destruction by Zack Miller, who bought it in 1937 and operated it into the 1940s; (5) subsequent to Zack's death in 1952 his mother lived there for a while, but she died in 1963 in an apparent suicide; (6) the store building was sporadically occupied after 1963 but, according to the cited article, no one was there at the time of the fire. If you are aware of a different reliable source for this information, I would invite you to cite that source in a new edit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.65.212.56 (talk) 21:04, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Remaining buildings[edit]

In the section: National Historic Landmark, it was stated that none of the original buildings remain, and again that all were destroyed. This is nearly true, but there are several that remain standing. These include barns that are still in use on a working farm, the foreman's residence, two water towers and a pumphouse (not operational), and several ruined or fragmentary structures. I have changed the section to say that most were destroyed, rather than all. I don't have a reference at hand for a detailed inventory of standing structures, but one was completed last year. Tapatio (talk) 15:43, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Buda Texas[edit]

George Miller was a friend of Gill and Maggie Kuykendall of Buda, Texas. As a gift to them, he gave them permission to use the "101 Ranch" name on their Ranch, and the Kuykendall ranch was commonly referred to, as the "101 Ranch" of Buda, Texas. By the mid 20thc, the Ranch was sub-divided and sold by the heirs. Marc S. 206.192.35.125 (talk) 12:31, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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