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she inspired s t coleridge

Incorrect. She plagiarized Coleridge and Wordsworth. Two years after the success of their Lyrical Ballads she wrote Lyrical Tales, which was little more than an attempt to cash in on the new Romanticism fad.

No one who has read Coleridge and Wordsworth's Lyrical Ballads and Robinson's Lyrical Tales would call her book plagiarism, nor would an informed Romanticist call the rise of the lyrical ballad a "fad." The unsigned accusation above is akin to calling Sir Walter Scott's Waverley a plagiarism of Maria Edgeworth--absurd. Influence does not equal ownership. Genre and form do not belong to anyone.Josh a brewer 01:28, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DNB quotes Coleridge's opinion of her:'...Coleridge called her a ‘woman of undoubted Genius’. ‘I never knew a human Being with so full a mind’, he wrote to Southey some seven months before she died, ‘—bad, good, & indifferent, I grant you, but full, & overflowing’ (Collected Letters, ed. Griggs, 1.562).'RLamb (talk) 07:43, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Biography and Organization[edit]

This line seems to present a POV: "the definitive biography of her by Paula Byrne." It should probably be removed. Robinson's Lyrical Tales also warrants further discussion in this article, and her role as poetry editor for the Morning Post could be included. In fact, her literary career needs its own section.Josh a brewer 01:20, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is the DOB correct? I have 1756 as the correct year (not 1757). Can anyone else confirm? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.124.70.83 (talk) 18:13, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DNB gives 'probably born on 27 November 1758 at Minster House, College Green, Bristol, although she may have been the ‘Polly Derby’ baptized at St Augustine-the-Less, Bristol, in 1756.' RLamb (talk) 07:39, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Entry on literary career would benefit from at least a brief mention of her involvement with the Della Cruscans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FlipYrWhig (talk • contribs) 13:08, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Move article to "Mary Darby Robinson" instead of "Mary Robinson (poet)"?[edit]

I was surprised to find Mary Robinson disambiguated as a "poet", since she was equally famous (if not more so!) as an actress, mistress, and novelist. Many scholarly sources refer to her as "Mary Darby Robinson" (see here and here, for random examples). It also mirrors how other eighteenth century authors have been disambiguated, such as Charlotte Turner Smith. Since using Robinson's maiden name in this way offers a natural disambiguation (per WP:NCDAB), I think it would be a better article title. Is it worth moving? ~ oulfis 🌸(talk) 08:35, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A strange duplication[edit]

Article currently reads in part

“Mr. Robert Ker Porter.” Public Characters of 1800-1801 (London: R. Phillips, 1801)
Memoirs of the Late Mrs. Robinson, Written by Herself with Some Posthumous Pieces. In Four Volumes (London: R. Phillips, 1801)
“Jasper. A Fragment,” Memoirs of the Late Mrs. Robinson, Vol. 3 (London: R. Phillips, 1801)
The Poetical Works of the Late Mrs. Mary Robinson: Including Many Pieces Never Before Published. In Three Volumes (London: Richard Phillips, 1806)
“The Savage of Aveyron,” Memoirs of the Late Mrs. Robinson, Vol. 3 (London: R. Phillips, 1801)
“The Progress of Liberty,” Memoirs of the Late Mrs. Robinson, Vol. 4 (London: R. Phillips, 1801)

(my emphasis).

This seems unlikely to me... do we have a source to confirm this partial title duplication? Andrewa (talk) 04:30, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If I understand correctly, the part that seems odd to you is that two pieces are both in vol 3 of the memoirs? That is accurate, they’re both short pieces. The only thing that looks off to me is the interruption of an 1806 text among the 1801 items. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 06:59, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting... so you're saying that these are two separate works that appear in this one publication?

So, there are two works, Jasper. A Fragment and The Savage of Aveyron, that both appeared in the same publication, Memoirs of the Late Mrs. Robinson, Vol. 3 but which are for some reason listed separately in a list of publications. Do I have that right?

I don't think the article makes that clear at all. But easily fixed. Andrewa (talk) 07:31, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that sounds right, though since they are non-epic poems they need quote marks and not italics for the titles. I’d say the reason they’re listed separately from the Memoirs as a whole is so the bibliography is fully comprehensive. They’re the only new publications in that volume: it contains only those two poems and some essays called “Sibylls” which are not actually posthumous and are therefore listed in the wiki article elsewhere. Vols 1 and 2 contain only memoirs, and “Progress of Liberty” is the only thing in vol 4, so there’s nothing from the collection which isn’t itemized individually. Does that make sense?

In terms of the formatting, it’s currently in roughly the correct MLA style to communicate that these are shorter pieces contained within the longer piece of the Memoirs. I’m not sure what would make it clearer. But I’m also not sure I see the part that seemed surprising to you, since it’s been a long time since I first learned about these things. If you make some clarifying edits it could improve the accessibility of the article. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 09:02, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]