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Earls of Northumberland: numbering[edit]

The website thepeerage Henry Hotspur Percy' has the son of Sir Henry Percy, (Hotspur) as the 1st Earl of Northumberland. It therefore assumes that the peerage, held by Hotspur's father as Ist Earl of Northmberland, was attainted on the death of Hotspur and regranted to Hotspur's son, the grandfather of Mary Hungerford: Hotspur's son would therefore become Ist Earl. Even if this is strictly correct, the articles on the Earls of Northumberl and on individual Earls number Hospur's son as 2nd Earl. For convenience sake at least, that is the better courde to take.Trahelliven (talk) 05:34, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know about reverting the edit. This is how the online Oxford Dictionary of National Biography numbers the Earls:

Percy, Henry, first earl of Northumberland (1341–1408), magnate and rebel, was the elder son of Henry Percy, third Lord Percy of Alnwick (c.1321–1368), and his first wife, Mary (d. 1362), the daughter of Henry, third earl of Lancaster (c.1280–1345). . . .In November 1378 a Scottish force seized Berwick and the earl and his son Henry Percy (Hotspur) retook it.

Percy, Henry, second earl of Northumberland (1394–1455), magnate, was the son and heir of Henry Percy (1364–1403), known as Henry Hotspur, who fell at Shrewsbury in 1403 in rebellion against Henry IV, and Elizabeth Mortimer (1371–1417), eldest daughter of Edmund (III) Mortimer, earl of March, and Philippa, granddaughter of Edward III. He was born on 3 February 1394.

Percy, Henry, third earl of Northumberland (1421–1461), magnate, was the son and heir of Henry Percy, second earl of Northumberland (1394–1455), and Eleanor, daughter of Ralph Neville, first earl of Westmorland (d. 1425).

According to the ODNB, the 1st Earl was Hotspur's father, the 2nd Earl was Hotspur's son, and the 3rd Earl was Hotspur's grandson.

Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd edition, vol. III, pp. 339-45 is in agreement with the ODNB.

Coincidentally, I inquired yesterday at the Wikipedia Help Desk about whether thepeerage.com is considered a reliable source by Wikipedia because I've recently run across some citations of thepeerage.com to which a bot has been adding 'unreliable citation' tags. If you're interested in taking a look at the discussion, it's here [1]. NinaGreen (talk) 20:54, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The website tudorplace [2] has the same numbering. (I find it astonishing that an Argentinian takes such an interest in English genealogy.) Trahelliven (talk) 22:22, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]