Talk:Marit Bjørgen

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Censorship from Bjoergen staff?[edit]

Some people (probably related to Bjoergen) are trying to censor this article from this issue. Therefor I also post this info in here if they remove it again: "== Asthma medications == "In the 2009/2010 season World Anti Doping Agency allowed Marit to use a stronger asthma medication (salbutamol) which is forbidden on the WADA doping List[1]. According to the Norwegian coach Egil Kristiansen her use of salbutamol was the main reason why she had improved so much for the season 2009/2010.[1][2] Bjørgen continued to use the medication over the olympics 2010 and was strongly criticized by Justyna Kowalczyk who accused her for doping.[3][4] Bjørgen claims that she wouldn't have any advantage of the medicine unless she had asthma but studies show that also a person without asthma has advantage of supra-therapeutic doses of the medicine.[5][6][7] In the new prohibited-list for 2010: "Salbutamol – a substance considered as specified and therefore more likely to result in a sanction of a warning to a two-year ban in case of anti-doping rule violations – will be permitted under 1,000 nanograms per millilitre.".[8]" —Preceding unsigned comment added by GregoryLund (talk • contribs) 08:33, 16 March 2010 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jenna6752 (talk • contribs) [reply]

References

  1. ^ http://figureskate2008hb.svt.se/2.21247/1.1819353/bjorgen_far_dispens_till_dopning?lid=puff_1819357&lpos=rubrik
  2. ^ http://www.vg.no/iphone/article.php?artid=580954
  3. ^ http://sports.rightpundits.com/?p=4024
  4. ^ http://theforeigner.no/pages/news/vancouver-2010-news-bjrgen-weathers-doping-allegations/
  5. ^ http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/89/2/430#SEC2
  6. ^ http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/salbutamol.html
  7. ^ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15459835
  8. ^ http://www.wada-ama.org/en/News-Center/Articles/WADA-Approves-2010-Prohibited-List/

Untitled[edit]

It was a good fight between Marit Bjørgen and Anna Olsson today in the Olympics. Mats33 (talk) 21:58, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Do we need a Controversies section?[edit]

Observing the Polish press and forum comments as well as her competitor's Justyna Kowalczyk's media-carried comments[2] during the Vancouver Olympic Games 2010, I am aware of the issue being raised of her being an asthmatic who (perhaps unfairly) receives powerful medication which is otherwise strictly disallowed [3] and helps with breathing. At least her asthma should be mentioned. What do you think? --Mareklug talk 07:30, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Yes, it should be mentioned. It is information about her and there is no reason for not mention it. /Ghilodd (talk) 16:34, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

About asthma medications[edit]

The asthma medication Salbutamol is only prohibited in the 2009 list, not in the 2010 list. The status of Salbutamol changed, beginning with 1st January 2010, and does no longer require special permission to use [4]. The wiki article says Salbutamol is prohibited, but only cites the 2009 list as reference. I changed it, but I see it was changed back, with no explanation of why, and still only the outdated 2009 list as source. Someone must explain why this was changed back, because as far as I can see the current info on the wiki page is incorrect. PrBalthazar (talk) 18:59, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

URGENT! The article about Marit Bjorgen, the section “Asthma medications” is fabricated to harm Marit Bjorgen. This article in Wikipedia is used as reference in a Swedish internet smear campain towards Bjorgen. All content and writing about the substance SALBUTAMOL need to be erased as there is no evidence whatsoever in the references in Wikipedia or elsewhere that Bjorgen has ever used it. Swedish Wikipedia has had the same problem and corrected the content today. Please the section as a whole instantly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ljg49 (talk • contribs) 19:59, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

World Cup victories[edit]

Both norwegian and finnish wiki lists her victories as 39 (dated accurate as November 28), so it's wrong to mentioning only Välbe has more wins. Probably she will be the sole second within this season, but isn't yet. 82.141.117.133 (talk) 00:44, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Asthma Medications[edit]

The section about asthma medications needs improvements. As it is written now, it consists of two parts. Both are discussing a medication that Bjørgen does not use.

The first part:

In the 2009/2010 season World Anti Doping Agency allowed Marit to use a stronger asthma medication (salbutamol) which is forbidden on the WADA doping List [1]. According to the Norwegian coach Egil Kristiansen her use of salbutamol was the main reason why she had improved so much for the season 2009/2010.[3][4] Bjørgen continued to use the medication over the olympics 2010 and was strongly criticized by Justyna Kowalczyk who accused her for doping.[5][6] Bjørgen claims that she would not have any advantage of the medicine unless she had asthma. In the new prohibited-list for 2010: "Salbutamol – a substance considered as specified and therefore more likely to result in a sanction of a warning to a two-year ban in case of anti-doping rule violations – will be permitted under 1,000 nanograms per millilitre..[7]"

The article that this section refer to does not confirm that Bjørgen uses salbutamol. In fact, she has later stated that she uses formoterol (Symbicort). General information about salbutamol is not of interest in this article.

The second part:

Bjørgen claim is however completely contradicted by results of clinical studies of salbutamol[8] in which 8 test subjects were performing cycling to exhaustion after taking salbutamol and placebo repeatedly. Time to exhaustion has been consistently increased after salbutamol by as much as 30%. Only one out of 8 study participants did not show increased time to exhaustion compared to placebo. Nevertheless since 2011 WADA increases authorized usage of salbutamol up to 1600 nanograms per millilitre within 24h[9]

Again, she does not use salbutamol, this section is therefore irrelevant. In addition it is factually wrong. The study referred to in the section is a study where a much larger than normal dose is given to the test subjects. It is also administered orally, and not by inhalation. WADA only approves salbutamol when administered by inhalation. An oral administration is illegal. This study is therefore irrelevant when discussing WADA's approval of this medication.

This section shoud therefore be rewritten or removed.

Magnussh (talk) 22:20, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

URGENT! (I have no connection to Bjorgen what so ever, and I am not even Norwegian.) The article about Marit Bjorgen, the section “Asthma medications and doping controversy” is fabricated to harm Marit Bjorgen. The article in Wikipedia is used as reference in a Swedish smear campain towards Bjorgen. All content and writing about the substance SALBUTAMOL need to be erased as there is no evidence whatsoever in the references or elsewhere that Bjorgen has ever used it. Swedish Wikipedia has had the same problem and corrected the content today. Please erase the section as a whole instantly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ljg49 (talk • contribs) 20:01, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thats ridicolous Ljg49. It is important information about Björgen and should remain./Ghilodd (talk) 09:03, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Controversy about medication is needed[edit]

I can see a consistent effort, probably from Bjørgen's team, to censor the information about asthma medication. Guys if you believe it is ok that she takes those medications then why you want to hide this information from the public?

I reintroduced the paragraph about the controversy in the first section since it is a brief summary of the person and controversy surrounding Marit Bjørgen is an essential part of the resume. I copied it here in case it is removed once more:

"At the same time, Marit Bjørgen stirs up controversy in the XC skiing world as her latest successes are often attributed to the performance-enhancing asthma medication that she is allowed to use but that is normally banned. [1]" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.198.145.150 (talk) 10:25, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have no connection to Bjorgen what so ever, and I am Swedish: URGENT! The article about Marit Bjorgen, the section “Asthma medications and doping controversy” is fabricated to harm Marit Bjorgen. This article in Wikipedia is used as reference in a comprehensive ongoing web smear campain in Sweden towards Bjorgen. All content and writing about the substance SALBUTAMOL need to be erased as there is no evidence whatsoever in the references or elsewhere that Bjorgen has ever used it. Swedish Wikipedia has had the same problem and corrected the content today. Please the section as a whole instantly. If this section is needed it needs to be rewritten from zero. BR — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ljg49 (talk • contribs) 20:08, 3 March 2011 (UTC) Ljg49 (talk) 21:20, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This issue is currently being discussed at the biographies of living persons noticeboard. I have blanked the section in question pending the resolution of that discussion. The English language sources did not support either the statement that she uses a particular drug, nor that her performance is enhanced. Jonathanwallace (talk) 22:34, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We are talking about Salbutamol. That was the medicine she got permission to use 2009/2010. Dont know if she still use it though but she did in the olympics. There are plenty of sources for this. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:2I1pmWHkRkoJ:ltz.se/nyheter/ostersund/1.2805862--bjorgens-astmamedicin-ar-inte-dopning-+salbutamol+Bjorgen&cd=12&hl=sv&ct=clnk&gl=se&source=www.google.se /Ghilodd (talk) 16:04, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If there are reliable sources, how about citing one here on the Talk page so we can discuss it? The section which I again reverted includes refs to a dead link, a blog and sources which confirm neither her use of Salbutamol or the supposed remark by the coach about increased performance. None of this is permissible under WP:BLP rules, under which we are very careful about sourcing assertions about living people.Jonathanwallace (talk) 16:15, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I deleted the Salbutamol info until we know more. Just so we know though what Bjorgen says about herself is definitely not a reliable source. /Ghilodd (talk) 16:20, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that it makes sense for the asthma thing to be removed pending a more in-depth investigation. Still, we should distinguish four separate things: 1. the controversy itself, which simply is there - it's a fact; 2. whether she takes asthma medication, which she almost certainly does (I don't think she herself denies it); 3. specifically what substance this is (which can presumably be determined based on reliable sources). Finally, there is 4. if the medications have had any effect on her performance, to what degree, and if so, whether this is fair. This last point is not for the laymen to judge. But as to point 1, the way I see Wikipedia policy, it should definitely be acknowledged in some form. Likewise for points 2-3, when they can be authoritatively resolved. Ariosto (talk) 19:03, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.vg.no/iphone/article.php?artid=580954

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“Five-time Olympian” – shouldn't it be “eight-time”?[edit]

The article twice states that she is a “five-time Olympian”. Is this outdated, or doesn't the relay/team golds count? If they don't, is there a link to the definition of “Olympian”? Changing to eight-time for now. Update: Just realised this is the number of times she has participated, sorry. Bjornte (talk) 12:29, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It just means the number of Olympic Games that she's participated in. Rodney Baggins (talk) 13:15, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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