Talk:Marianne Means

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Former good articleMarianne Means was one of the Social sciences and society good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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March 5, 2021Good article nomineeListed
February 26, 2023Good article reassessmentDelisted
Did You Know A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on February 24, 2016.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Marianne Means was the first woman reporter to be assigned full-time coverage of the White House?
On this day... A fact from this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on June 13, 2023.
Current status: Delisted good article


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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: MWright96 (talk · contribs) 19:38, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Shall review this for the GAN March 2021 Backlog Drive. MWright96 (talk) 19:38, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Lead[edit]

  • "was an American, Washington-based, syndicated political columnist who, for many years," - was an American journalist and syndicated political columnist based in Washington, D.C.
 Done--Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:26, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]


  • "She started her career as a reporter and advanced to a copy editor." - advanced to the role of a
 Done--Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:26, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]


  • "She then supervised a staff for a couple of years " - think there are some missing words in this portion of text
 Done Copy edited accordingly. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 22:06, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]


  • John Kennedy is missing the "F." in the middle of his name
 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 22:06, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]


  • "Then she covered the White House reporting full-time and was the first female reporter that did this." - reported full-time at the White House and was the first female reporter to do this.
 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk)


  • Wikilink Kennedy's assassination to the relevant article
 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 22:06, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]


  • "and the transition to the next administration." - administration of Lyndon B. Johnson.
 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 22:06, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]


  • The New York Times should be italicized since it is a print publication
 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 22:06, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]


  • "she reported on all the presidential campaigns from Kennedy" - every presidental campaign
 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 22:06, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Early life and education[edit]

  • "She was valedictorian from her 1952 high school and work as a secretary for the superintendent of the local schools. She died at 92 in 1996." this bit is rather confusing and could benefit from some rewording ... such as specifying that "Means was valedictorian of" so that one doesn't misunderstand. When I read it, because of the death date, I thought her mother was still the subject. Unless there's a typo (graduation date should be 1925) and it really is about her mother? Nonetheless, changing "from" to "of" would still be necessary, as would changing "work" to "worked", and specifying that the person who died in 1996 was her mother. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cmissy (talk • contribs) 15:50, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "She was the daughter of Ernest Maynard Hansen and Else Marie Johanne (Andersen) Hansen." - any more details on her parents?


  • "Means graduated from the Nebraska University," - the word indicated in bold is not needed


  • Wikilink Bachelor of Arts degree


  • "in Washington D.C." - a comma is missing between "Washington" and "D.C."

Career[edit]

  • "Means, in 1959, moved to Hearst Newspapers[4]" - MEans moved to Hearst Newspapers in 1959,


  • "and John F. Kennedy's presidential campaign ." - the extra space between "campaign" and the period is not needed


  • "Her journalism career was boosted when she escorted Kennedy" - the text in bold should be reworded so that it is more formal


  • "She was the first feale reporter" - typo; should be female


  • "to be appointed full-time coverage of all the White House activity." - to be assigned to cover all of the White House's activities full time.


  • "She has also been a commentator" - the text here should be changed to the past sense since Means died in 2017


  • "for CBS radio" - radio should be captalised and CBS Radio would be better off wikilinked


Societies[edit]

  • "Means was associated with the National Press Foundation, International Women's Media Foundation, White House Correspondents' Association, National Press Club, Cosmos Club, Gridiron Club (president), Delta Delta Delta, Sigma Delta Chi, and Phi Beta Kappa" - more uses of the word "the" where appropriate should be used in this portion of text

Private life[edit]

  • "She was briefly married to government affairs consultant Edward H. DeHart in the early 1970s." - this sentence will require a reliable source
  • Who was James J. Kilpatrick?
  • There is no mention of Means' death in the prose and this fact will need to be included

References[edit]

  • References 1 and 2 are duplicates of each other
 Done removed #2 (dup) --Doug Coldwell (talk) 22:16, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]


  • The volume (77) and number (78) in the formatting Reference 8 "Marianne Means to Visit Campus" should be in the volume and number fields
 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:09, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]


  • Reference 10 is "Political Column by Newspaperwoman Appearing In News" missing the newspaper that published the article
 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:19, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]


  • The same reference is missing the page number and the url link should be of one to the article itself
 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:19, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]


  • It must also be mentioned that that reference is from newspapers.com
 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:19, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]


  • Reference 11 title "900 FAMOUS NEBRASKANS – Nationally Distinguished Nebraskans: A Brief Bio-Bibliography of 900 Individuals" - avoid using all capital letters per MOS:ALLCAPS
 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:24, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]


  • The link for Reference 11 takes the person clicking on it to an error page. This will need fixing


  • Reference 13 "Marianne Means" is missing the access date and the archive date formatting is inconsistent with the rest of the formatting of the other citations


  • Reference 15 "Meet Marianne Means, Our Gal In Washington" is missing the page number


  • Reference 16 "NU Alum Matrix speaker" is missing the access date


  • The same reference's author should not be "Vol. 77; No. 69", which should be in the volume and number fields, respectively


  • Reference 18's "Warren Weaver of The Times, Long a Political Reporter, 74" work should be "The New York Times" and the page number is missing from the citation formatting


  • Reference 20 "James J. Kilpatrick dies at 89" is missing the access date


  • Reference 21 "The Woman in the White House: The lives, times and influence of twelve notable First Ladies" is missing the page number


Will put the review on hold to allow the nominator to address or query the points raised above. MWright96 (talk) 21:00, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 Working Thanks for review. Will start addressing the issues.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:15, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Doug Coldwell: Reference 1 is missing the author, date, work and accessdate; reference 8 has the error "77}number=78", and there is still no mention of Means' death in the main prose MWright96 (talk) 21:42, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright contributor investigation and Good article reassessment[edit]

This article is part of Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/20210315 and the Good article (GA) drive to reassess and potentially delist over 200 GAs that might contain copyright and other problems. An AN discussion closed with consensus to delist this group of articles en masse, unless a reviewer opens an independent review and can vouch for/verify content of all sources. Please review Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/February 2023 for further information about the GA status of this article, the timeline and process for delisting, and suggestions for improvements. Questions or comments can be made at the project talk page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:36, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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