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Manuel Antonio Chaves was a Warfare good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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User:JerryFriedman says that MAC was in

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Civil War history, Lt. Col., apparently first cousin of José Francisco Chaves (Simmons, The Little Lion of the Southwest)

Note context & data for JFC via What-links-here, including comment inside markup of List of people by name: Chas-Chaz#Chaves as sole surname
--Jerzy•t 02:05, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I was wrong about "first cousin"—they were distantly related. —JerryFriedman 16:55, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

GA Nom on hold ... failed[edit]

You need to use inline citations, see WP:CITE on how to proceed with that.
Need to break up the biography so that you have a two to three paragraph lead, see WP:LEAD on how to write a good lead. Ideally it will state who he is (which you have) and then recap important events that will be covered in detail below, and then start the rest of the article with an appropriate subheading, like Biography. See {{subst:Biography}} for ideas....
awkward sentence "in the force with which his cousin Manuel Armijo put down an uprising in Santa Fe and made himself governor of New Mexico"
"where he was buried along with his wife and children" was wondering before then if he'd married! Might want to include any details of that. Who did he marry?
I'd rename Miscellanea into Legacy and move this: "Chaves was a third cousin of the father of Angélico Chávez." into the area where you discuss his family (who he married, etc.)

plange 05:16, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The article doesn't comply with the manual of style. It doesn't have well-written prose either which are two basic criteria necessary for the GA status. Lincher 16:06, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification for the sake of perfecting the article :

Thanks.

In documented history he helped win the United States Civil War Battle of Glorieta Pass and was in command during a fight in the Navajo Wars; he also probably negotiated the surrender of a large part of the Texas Santa Fe Expedition. should be re-written in order to eliminate the supposition (like probably) and adding a link to a citation would be good.

The citations may come. The only way to eliminate "probably" is to eliminate the mention of the incident (which I might do), since it's not certain that Chaves was the negotiator.

Chaves, severely wounded by arrows and the only survivor, made his way home alone and without provisions, a journey of almost 200 miles. is a bit ambiguous and should be re-formulated.

I can't see the slightest ambiguity there.

Who is Simmons in the 2nd paragraph of the Biography section. (I know he wrote a book on him but the readers don't)

Good point.

At any rate, in 1839 Chaves was commissioned as a sublieutenant (alférez) in the rural mounted militia., should at any rate be used in that situation?

Sure, why not? Do you like "in any case" better?

and many more... Lincher 20:37, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It gets me started. —JerryFriedman 21:24, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]