Talk:Manor Ground (Plumstead)

Spion Kop, Which Ground First?

What verifiable evidence do we have for the claim that "this was the first stand in the country to be called the Kop"? I enquired about this some years ago, contacting the editor of an unofficial Arsenal website that featured limited history on the Manor Ground. He kindly informed me that, to the best of his knowledge, the old ground did not actually have individual terrace names as we have come to expect today, but that it is believed that some folk regarded one of the newly improved terraces there to be like that of Spion Kop. I note, however, that this story is repeated elsewhere [1] [2] with other people first perceiving a basic similarity before dubbing their own terraces accordingly. So an obvious question arises: What actual evidence is there that Arsenal supporters spotted the similarity first, and dubbed their stand first, as opposed to any of the other returned servicemen who thought the same around the same time? It is alleged elsewhere that "the one at Sheffield was named 'the Kop' first".[3]Let's sort this out and track down source material. I seems Arsenal 1886-1986, The Official Centenary History by Phil Soar and Martin Tyler is a good place to start, if someone here has a copy. Ste B 02:56, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I observe that Arsenal's official club website does not reproduce this claim [4]. Source material is most important.

The following quote comes from the Woolwich Gazette, 26 August 1904: ""Look at 'em on the Spion Kop". That was the remark that greeted me when I was at least a mile away from the Arsenal football ground on Saturday last, and when I turned, to the direction the speaker was pointing at, I saw one line of human beings silhouetted against the skyline, and then and only then, did the circumstances make clear the axiom laid, down by the scouts in the late Boer war: 'Be careful never to break the skyline'. Yes, it was a most applicable remark a happy-thought, so to speak". This was 2 years before Ernest Edwards used the phrase "Spion Kop" to describe the new stand at Anfield. Goonerak (talk) 12:51, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Thankyou for this. What is the name of the author, do we know? — ThePowerofX 17:12, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately the match report was not credited with anyone.Goonerak (talk) 08:57, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

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