Talk:Mabel Agyemang

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Long quotation and capitalising definite article[edit]

Hello @Frontieres2001 and @Daisy1213: I am sorry you did not like my edit. I must point out though, that WP's Manual of Style (see MOS:THECAPS), and usual usage in English, require that definite articles (the) only take a capital when at the start of a sentence. This applies even for any title or official name. For example: The United Kingdom becomes "Go to the United Kingdom"; The Good, the Bad and the Ugly becomes "When the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly was shown", and so on.

Secondly, I trimmed the quotation as it seemed overly long, per, again, WP's guidelines (WP:LONGQUOTE):

"Overuse happens when:  ... quotations are used to explain a point that can be paraphrased; the quotations dominate the article or section."

I returned the text to "the Gambia" where that's required, as policy is clear there. However, I have kept the entire quote as you had it. I do think the shorter version is punchier and emphasises Agyemang's judicial acumen better. The longer version includes less vital detail (punctuality, for example), but I will leave that to you. (And the shorter version is still "matching the sources"; using ellipses (...) to indicate partial deletions is quite proper). At least I hope you liked my addition of the Governor's "badge of honour" remark.

Happy to discuss more, if wanted. Thanks. Where's my PW? (talk) 13:57, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot to add that linking everyday terms such as innovation and reform or ICT, legal, and case law is considered overlinking MOS:OL, especially inside a quote. Thanks again, Where's my PW? (talk) 14:02, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Where's My PW?,
My apologies for revising your work without connecting with you. I had wanted to leave a message on your talk page but I couldn't as you do not appear to have one. Please consider creating one as this is always helpful.
Re: the changes, The Gambia is not like other countries which use "the" in their name. It is unique in that the article remains capitalised regardless of where it appears in a sentence, i.e. it does not conform to standard English language rules regarding the use of the definite article. You may find it useful to review The Gambia's own constitution, the US State Department, and the UK Foreign Office if you wish. I believe the UK Foreign office can be considered an authority on both The Gambia (former colony) and the English language. I understand that various articles right here on Wikipedia use both the capitalised article and not capitalised article. This is definitely due to this uniqueness not being known by everyone - it's understandable since other countries use the article in its lowercase form (as would normally be expected). Even so, it does remain The Gambia.
Re: the referenced article (Dakin), the title you stated for the quote is inaccurate until it is linked to page as well. The current reference (see referenced GOV.UK article) uses a different title hence the revision for that area. If you have another article with the title you used , please feel free to add it to the page as it will no doubt make it richer. Daisy1213 (talk) 16:03, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's fair enough, I suppose. But did you have to call it "vandalism"?
I do not necessarily agree with your points, btw, as I have seen official references to "the Gambia" at United Nations websites, amongst others. Yes, I am aware that the Gambia also has documents and websites that utilise constructions such as: "We are here in The Gambia...", but it is by no means universally accepted or used. (Which is high-handed, I know, not to accept a country's own way of naming itself. I think English speakers have a long history of [rudely] misnaming others!) Here on WP, Wikipedia policy trumps all! There are things written about my own country here on WP that I find irritating. :-(
The title for the governor's remarks was merely a shorthand for use in the direct attribution line. I used the full correct citation inline, which links through to your pre-existing source.
To talk to me on my talk page, just "start a section" / "add topic". You would be the first, that's all! Thanks, Daisy! Where's my PW? (talk) 16:57, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Where's my PW?. I also replied to the message you added to my talk page (re: my unfortunate choice of words). My apologies once again and have a great weekend! Daisy1213 (talk) 17:36, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For anyone else who reads this conversation in the future, please note that The Gambia incorporated the use of the definite article in its name and uses it in its capitalised form. In the past, some countries and international bodies were not aware of this uniqueness and so used the lowercase form but in recent times, this has been respected and noted. It is gradually being updated in official documents (e.g. United Nations page on The Gambia, etc). At some point, we should all work to ensure pages on Wikipedia are updated as appropriate. Change is progress, and policies can always be updated to note exceptions to any rules. Daisy1213 (talk) 18:20, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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