Talk:Ma Zhanshan

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account of ma zhanshan from book[edit]

from "whoos who in china"

Gen. Ma Chan-shan

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acting Chairman of the Heiiungkiang Provincial Government ; in recognition of his great and loyal service to the country in resisting the Japanese invaders, he was soon confirmed in the latter post succeeding Gen. Wan Fu-lin ; following the capture of Tsitsihar, provincial Capital of Heiiung- kiang on Nov. 18, 1981, by the Japanese troops, he and his Government moved to Hailun in North Heiiungkiang which he made his new base of operations against the Japanese ; while he was thus entrenched in Hailun, he was daily overwhelmed with furious offensives by the Japanese, but could not be dislodged ; failing to subjugate his indomitable spirit by force, the Japanese resorted to the subtle methods of persuasion and bribery; in order to learn the secrets of the Japanese intrigues and designs, he permitted himself to be influenced by the Japanese persuasions and gracefully joined the rank of the invaders ; he participated in the establishment of the Japanese puppet "Manchukuo" and accepted the post of Minister of War in Cabinet, but carefully preserved his hold on Heiiungkiang as Chairman of the Provincial Government ; after obtaining a huge sum of funds from the Japanese and a large quantity of arms and ammunition, he swiftly but ingenuously carried out a coup d'etat in Tsitsihar, openly departing from the provincial capital on a pretended inspection tour ; he went straight to Hailun where he effected a speedy reorganization of his troops and declared his opposition to the Manchukuo and its Japanese creators at the very moment when the Lytton Inquiry Commission entered Manchuria to conduct its investigation ; from Hailun, he issued a 5,000 word telegram broadcasted from a Chinese Consulate on the Soviet Border exposing and denouncing the Japanese intrigues in Manchuria ; then he resumed his campaign against the Japanese and fought many bloody battles ; time and again, he was re- ported killed in action by the Japanese military, but these reports belied themselves by his continuous resistance ; when the Japanese Army launched its general offensive against Gen. Su Ping- Wen's Army in Hailar Region, in Sept. 1932, he joined forces with Gen. Su and put up a valiant but futile resistance against the Japanese onslaught and was finally forced to retire into Soviet Russia; after remaining in Russia for almost half a year, he went to Europe and then returned to China; he is an expert shooter and cavalry tactician; riding on a horse galloping he can shoot passing birds with a pistol in each hand without missing his aim; appoint- ed a member of the Military Affairs Commission of the National Govern- ment, June 22, 1933, which post he still holds ; he is now living in Tientsin.

06:56, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

POV issue[edit]

This article seems to have serious issues:

  • The citations for the core of the article are all from contemporary journalistic accounts, which can't be considered particularly reliable (Fenby does more or less say what the article says, though he doesn't attributes all the guerrilla actions listed in the article to Ma or his forces. His cited sources are contemporary Chinese newspapers, however, so the same issue remains.)
  • There are reputable books listed at the end, but it seems unlikely that they were used for the article. One of them, Mitter, argues that Ma was a not particularly effective apolitical opportunist whose reputation was built up by contemporary Chinese sources for propaganda purposes, for example. That POV doesn't seem to be reflected anywhere in the article.
  • It uses inappropriate language such as "terrorizing the Japanese invaders".

Anyway, I'll add it to the list of articles I hope to get to at some point, but in the meantime I'm going to tag it NPOV. Cckerberos (talk) 01:38, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The ethnicity of Ma Zhanshan[edit]

As the reference and Ma Zhanshan's grandson Ma Zhiwei stated, Ma Zhanshan and the family are Manchu descendants. There is a Hui Muslim Ma Zhanshan (born 1964) in Chinese government [1][2]. Obviously two different people, but I kept both ethnicities listed.--Šolon (talk) 15:48, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Statue[edit]

According to this thread at WikiProject China, this statue in Shanghai's New Town Central Park depicting Ma Zhanshan. Should the statue be mentioned and/or the picture added to this article? ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:45, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, why not? Perhaps "Legacy" and "In popular culture" sections should be added to the article, since the statue was probably the result of Ma Zhanshan's prominent status in the Communist narrative of the Second Sino-Japanese War, in addition to his recent surge of popularity, helped by TV programs such as Battle of Jiangqiao in 2016. Alex Shih (talk) 04:48, 8 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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