Talk:M109 howitzer

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I changed "now outdated M109" to just M109. Just because one new weapon is superior to the paladin doesn't make it completley outdated- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg 07:17, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Article name[edit]

This article is about the history of the M109 self-propelled howitzer. Only the M109A6 carries the name "Paladin" and I think personally that the article should be changed to M109 or M109 self-propelled howitzer. -- Thatguy96 16:48, 15 May 2006

I agree completely. I've gone ahead and made the move; I can't see any logical objection. TomTheHand 20:56, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Please also change the redirects to the new article name - you seem to have forgotten this. (See What links here)--Denniss 21:16, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'll see if I can tackle that tomorrow if I have time and nobody else has the will. M109 howitzer has far more links than M109 Paladin anyway; we're in a better place redirect-wise after this move even without a single fix ;-) TomTheHand 02:19, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Recent Israeli use[edit]

There should be something in this article about the recent use of this weapons system by the IDF in the 2006 Israel-Lebanon crisis, as it seems they are currently being used on-mass to Bombard southern Lebanon.--Hibernian 02:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Abbreviations[edit]

What is an FDC? —Brim 02:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Never mind. I answered my own question. —Brim 03:08, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

M109A6 not exclusive to US?[edit]

"It has been continually upgraded and improved to today's current version, the M109A6 "Paladin" which is only used by the US Army."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_Republic_of_China states that "delivery of M109A6 units started in 2003"

I'm wondering which one is right. -- MiG 15:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Crew amount[edit]

I was on the M109A3, M109A5, and M109A6. A gun section and a gun crew are not the same thing. A gun section actually consists of two vehicles: the M109 (the "gun") and the M992 FAASV (the ammo vehicle). The gun crew on the guns up to the M109A6 consisted of the section chief, the gunner, the assistant gunner, the number one cannoneer, and the driver. The M109A6 Paladin eliminated the assistant gunner position. The ammunition team constitutes the remainder of the section and they are the crew of the FAASV (usually two, occasionally three ammunition handlers). In the "old days," the men in the ammunition team were the number two, three, and four cannoneers. This is where the term "number one man" comes from.

To summarize:

All models of the M109 up to and including the M109A5 have a crew of five: Section chief, gunner, assistant gunner, number one cannoneer, driver. The M109A6 Paladin has a crew of four: Section chief, gunner, number one cannoneer, driver.

99.105.39.38 (talk) 02:15, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Info box states a crew of eight: chief, driver, 3 cannoneers, 3 gunners.

The text says The crew of the M109 consists of a section chief, driver, three cannoneers who prepare the ammunition, load, and fire the weapon, and two gunners who aim the cannon.The gunner aims the cannon left or right (deflection), the assistant gunner aims the cannon up and down (quadrant). The M109A6 Paladin needs only one cannoneer and two ammunition handlers for a total crew of six.

The first statement talks about two gunners, and the mention about the upgraded Paladin is really talking about five crew members: chief, driver, cannoneer and two ammunition handlers. Which one of these three is the right statement?

The crew size for the M109A6 is incorrect. The crew consists of one chief of section, one driver, one gunner, and a fourth cannoneer commonly referred to as the "number one man." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.245.98.88 (talk) 02:58, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As I remember, there is the section chief who verifies fuze setting, shell type and charge, the gunner who loads the powder and closes the breach, the number one man who sets the fuze, loads the shell, primes the cannon and pulls the lanyard, and the driver for a total crew of four.69.246.176.250 (talk) 18:10, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NLOS-C cancelled[edit]

So I omitted the part about NLOS-Cs replacing Paladins in 2014. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paranoia71792 (talk • contribs) 13:24, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Egyptian modifications[edit]

Does anyone have access to a reliable source about some M109s that have been modified by the Egyptians? I saw some pictures on a particular military picture-related website (one which fails WP:RS) of M109s with a fixed turret/superstructure and mounting (what was said to be) a Soviet-style 122mm howitzer. If good sources could be found, it would certainly be worth including in the article.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 17:01, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Overspcific[edit]

From the lede: "The M109 family is the most common western indirect-fire support weapon of maneuver brigades of armored and mechanized infantry divisions."

So there is a more common fire support weapon for non-maneuver brigades? There is another more common fire support weapon for armored and mechanized non-infantry divisions? Why mention it at all then? 91.10.14.99 (talk) 11:00, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

M109 not included in April 14 aid package[edit]

A note in support of Mindaur's edit today who spotted error that the cited Yahoo news article did not support the statement that the April 14 aid package included 18 M109's. In fact, many other sources such as this Forbes article specifically state the 18 155mm howitzers in this aid package are towed. Stripes states that as of April 18, the model of howitzer had not been announced but stated they will most likely be either M777 or the older M198 model. While a country might at some future date provide Ukraine with M109's, they do not appear to be any citable sources that Ukraine possesses any at this time. J JMesserly (talk) 02:34, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Operators map[edit]

I have reverted the removal of the operators map. This is because the map shows where the M109 is used. The lack of inclusion of Crimea is correct, in my opinion, since it is not being used there. This is not a suggestion of what country Crimea belongs to, but a reflection of the reality of area where the M109 can be/ is used. I have clarified the caption to say areas of usage, rather than operators. Adding crimea to that map, I believe, would be counterfactual (Hohum @) 13:16, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Have Gun – Will Travel ?[edit]

The article says "Paladin is the name of the lead character in the early TV western Have Gun – Will Travel".

Paladin is the name of lots of things. For us to mention this western character here, we need to give a reference to show that this specific character is directly relevant to the naming of this artillery system (that the artillery is named, at least in part, after the character), and that the artillery isn't just named after the legendary kind of knight. Given that US military systems are not routinely named after TV characters, it does seem unlikely that this one is. I for one would love it if the in-service name of the NGAD was the "F/A-39 Buffy", but I doubt I'll get my way -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 10:29, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Removed. Schierbecker (talk) 16:35, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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