Talk:Los Angeles Pacific Railroad

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Proposed Edits to Article

I am proposing some major changes to the LAP Railroad article - working on the changes now.

The LAP and its predecessors built lines that were concentrated only on Los Angeles' west side and beaches - the LAP that it finally became did not own any Pasadena lines.

The Los Angeles Consolidated Electric Railway, along with the Los Angeles Cable Railway, became the Los Angeles Railway in 1895 (a predessor to the Yellow Car line of the same name), and is a railway separate from and not a predecessor to the LAP. The history in this article could be moved to the Los Angeles Railway article.

The LAP was sold to the Southern Pacific in 1906 for a reported $6 million dollars, not to Henry Huntington. The SP alos owned a chunk of the PE Railway, and in 1910 arranged with Huntington to get all of the PE (along with other railways), and give Huntington the LA Railway.

The best sources for the history are Trolleys to the Surf (1976), the Los Angeles Pacific (Special #18), and the Los Angeles Pacific Album, all of which are published by Interurbans. Great pictures and maps, and the Album has a nicely condensed history, as the corporate history is very complicated. 1951bfrj (talk) 05:36, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Continuing Edits - working on facilities now - will be done soon. I have a section on the history of the line that will fold in some of the corporate history such as the Los Angeles, Hermosa Beach and Redondo Railway, along with Sherman and Clark's real estate dealings (Hollywood, Playa Del Rey, Hermosa Beach, Brentwood, etc.)

I also have a section on the Lines that will break them down in a bit more detail - plus a section on what is left of the LAP, a section on the line's cars and a section on freight handling.

I'll be removing all references to Pasadena lines, as these were never part of the Pasadena & Pacific/Los Angeles Pacific Railroad, and eventually were taken over by Huntington.

1951bfrj (talk) 18:40, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Removing references to Los Angeles Consolidated Electric Railway

I am removing all references to this line, as it is actually the predcessor to the Los Angeles Railway. Refer to that article for a new section on LACE. I will also be moving some photos to that article as well — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1951bfrj (talk • contribs) 02:50, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Incomplete citation

@1951bfrj: When you added the Bibliography, you left one citation template incomplete: Swett, 1975. Could you please finish the template? Thanks! — Gorthian (talk) 08:02, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Added History Section - removed references to Pasadena lines

I rewrote the History section - compare the narrative with the LAP map to see the lines and the entire system. Note that the LAP only served Los Angeles area west of Fourth Street and Hill Street in downtown. The Pasadena lines were sold with the Los Angeles and Pasadena Electric Railway/Pasadena and Los Angeles Electric Railway, to Henry Huntington and his associates in 1898 - this line became part of the Pasadena Short Line, and the old horsecar lines became the local Pasadena lines, which PE eventually abandoned.

According to Swett, LAP turned over 50% completed San Fernando Valley Lines to the PE as part of the Sept, 1911 merger - the line opened in 1912, after LAP as a separate company ceased to exist.

Hope this is helpful. 1951bfrj (talk) 19:50, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Remaining Tasks

Updating the Lines section a bit - adding a similar section on Freight - and a bit of a section on the Cars they used (Painted Green; olive green, apparently - not red. These were not the Big Red Cars until repainted by by PE after 1911) In addition, there are links to other articles for specific lines such as the Venice Short Line - I'll be correcting data there as well; e.g., in 1906, the Harriman/Southern Pacific interests gained control of the line, not Henry Huntington or the Pacific Electric. More on this later... 1951bfrj (talk) 20:41, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Completed - see what you think - I have added everything I found so far - may edit a bit here and there

1951bfrj (talk) 18:50, 31 January 2021 (UTC)