Talk:Lord High Constable of England

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Current status[edit]

According to the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica,^[1] the office of Lord High Constable was merged into the Crown during the reign of Henry VIII, following the attainder of Edward Stafford, 3rd Duke of Buckingham.

Does this not mean that the office is held by Queen Elizabeth II in right of the Crown?

The office of Lord High Admiral works in the way I am describing: the office is vested in the Crown and may be dispensed to others at Her Majesty's Pleasure. I believe this would mean that the office of Lord High Constable, being vested in the Crown, is held by the reigning monarch, except at times where other individuals are appointed to the post for specific purposes, mainly coronations.

No source addresses the issue, but rather only mention how it "merged with the Crown".MaximusWikipedian (talk) 02:42, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

^ Chisholm, Hugh, ed. (1911). "Lord High Constable". Encyclopædia Britannica. Vol. 17 (11th ed.). Cambridge University Press. p. 3.

Called out of Abeyance[edit]

It seems unclear that this is the case. Take as an example the D of W.. At his funeral the Heralds still included among is many titles LHC and I've not managed to find appointments to the office other than at the first coronation at which he was LHC. It seesm perhaps that he was considered LHC for life or until someone else was appointed not just for one day.Alci12 15:22, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It certainly wasn't for life, as in the late 17th/18th centuries new LHCs were appointed when the previous one was still alive; Grafton was still alive in 1689; Ormonde was still alive (and not attainted) in 1702 and 1714; Montagu was still alive in 1727. john k (talk) 13:58, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Role at coronations[edit]

So what does the Lord High Constable or the Steward for that matter do at coronations? Tibetologist (talk) 07:39, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Steward carries St Edward's Crown. The Constable is one of those who conducts the "Recognition" (inviting the congregation to acclaim the new monarch) with the Archbishop of Canterbury. Proteus (Talk) 08:59, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1399's Constable[edit]

Please look at my question in Talk:Henry Percy, 1st Earl of Northumberland. ירון (talk) 11:33, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1630s[edit]

This site says that Robert Bertie, 1st Earl of Lindsey served as Lord High Constable in 1631 and 1634, and so does the ODNB. Could this have been while presiding in the Court of Chivalry? Opera hat (talk) 12:27, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Photo[edit]

Perhaps a cropped version of this image would be more appropriate? Davidships (talk) 00:41, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Master of the Horse"?[edit]

I know the Encyclopædia Britannica source says so, but there seems to be no cross-pollination between those individuals who are named in List of Masters of the Horse and this article's list of individuals who were LHC. Likewise, the main Master of the Horse article makes no mention of people being LHC at the same time as they were Master of the Horse. Even when it comes to the brief resurrection of the LHC during coronations, this role has almost(?) always been carried out by someone who was not holding the office of Master of the Horse at the time. Is one or more articles making a serious omission, did LHCs fill a "master of the horse" position that was separate from and in co-existance with the formal Master of the Horse, or was the Encyclopædia Britannica writer making things up as he went along? - Dvaderv2 (talk) 19:08, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Chisholm, Hugh, ed. (1911). "Lord High Constable". Encyclopædia Britannica. Vol. 17 (11th ed.). Cambridge University Press. p. 3.

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