Talk:Locomotives of the Glasgow and South Western Railway
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Progress[edit]
I've set up this article to start gathering together information on the G&SWR's locomotives. All sections would benefit from added information. So far the only link to a specific locomotive is to the pre-existing article on Drummond's Austrian goods, but as time and opportunity allows I'll add more unless others get there before me. Any suggestions are also welcomed. Sou-west (talk) 13:46, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
James Manson[edit]
See Talk:Great North of Scotland Railway#James Manson. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:04, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
G&SWR classes[edit]
I think these need clarification like the Caledonian classes, see Talk:Locomotives of the Caledonian Railway. Biscuittin (talk) 22:20, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
- LMS 15241-15244 (J Stirling 0-4-4T) and LMS 16400-16427, later LMS 16900-16927, (P Drummond 0-6-2T) both seem to be called "1 Class". Biscuittin (talk) 22:27, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
- A big problem is that the entire GSWR fleet was renumbered in 1919, and everything then running got new classifications. For example, the Drummond 0-6-2T were altered from the 45 Class to the 11 Class. Both of these should be shown on the Locomotives of the Glasgow and South Western Railway page, but for individual article titles, it's probably easiest to stick with the pre-1919 classification. That's except for the Whitelegg designs of course, which were all delivered post-renumbering. The post-1919 1 Class were the final batch of the 45 (later 11) class, and although ordered by Drummond, the design was modified by Whitelegg before construction. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:35, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you. How should we distinguish the two 1 Classes? For example:
- A big problem is that the entire GSWR fleet was renumbered in 1919, and everything then running got new classifications. For example, the Drummond 0-6-2T were altered from the 45 Class to the 11 Class. Both of these should be shown on the Locomotives of the Glasgow and South Western Railway page, but for individual article titles, it's probably easiest to stick with the pre-1919 classification. That's except for the Whitelegg designs of course, which were all delivered post-renumbering. The post-1919 1 Class were the final batch of the 45 (later 11) class, and although ordered by Drummond, the design was modified by Whitelegg before construction. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:35, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
- G&SWR 1 Class for LMS 15241-15244
- G&SWR 1 Class 0-6-2T or G&SWR 1 Class (Whitelegg) for LMS 16900-16927
Biscuittin (talk) 09:26, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
- Since some books, such as
- ascribe the 0-6-2T to Drummond, and it's more likely that people will know the wheel arrangement rather than the "designer", I'd go for G&SWR 1 Class 0-4-4T and G&SWR 1 Class 0-6-2T for the two articles, with G&SWR 1 Class being a dab page.
- Of course, we may find that the "Whitelegg" 0-6-2T don't deserve a separate article but rather a subsection of G&SWR 45 Class, in which case G&SWR 1 Class 0-6-2T would be a redirect to that section. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:00, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you. Can you please give me the LMS numbers of the Whitelegg 0-6-2T? In Casserley & Johnston, I can only find the Drummond 0-6-2T, CR nos. 1-28, LMS nos. 16400-16427. Biscuittin (talk) 16:06, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
- Casserley & Johnston (p. 169), Haresnape (p. 122) and Baxter (pp. 168-9) all show that LMS 16400-27 were previously GSWR 1-28 in the same order. Haresnape and Baxter (but not Casserley & Johnston) show that GSWR 1-10 were those built under Whitelegg's superintendency, i.e. after the 1919 renumbering, whilst GSWR 11-28 were built by Drummond 1915-17, and until 1919 were numbered 122, 141-150, 284, 45, 84, 90/1, 101/2. The 1919 renumbering was not in order of building, so no. 45 (later no. 23/LMS 16422) was first one built, but no. 10 (LMS 16409) was last one built. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:38, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
- I have created G&SWR 45 Class. You might like to check it for errors. Biscuittin (talk) 20:31, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
- Casserley & Johnston (p. 169), Haresnape (p. 122) and Baxter (pp. 168-9) all show that LMS 16400-27 were previously GSWR 1-28 in the same order. Haresnape and Baxter (but not Casserley & Johnston) show that GSWR 1-10 were those built under Whitelegg's superintendency, i.e. after the 1919 renumbering, whilst GSWR 11-28 were built by Drummond 1915-17, and until 1919 were numbered 122, 141-150, 284, 45, 84, 90/1, 101/2. The 1919 renumbering was not in order of building, so no. 45 (later no. 23/LMS 16422) was first one built, but no. 10 (LMS 16409) was last one built. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:38, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you. Can you please give me the LMS numbers of the Whitelegg 0-6-2T? In Casserley & Johnston, I can only find the Drummond 0-6-2T, CR nos. 1-28, LMS nos. 16400-16427. Biscuittin (talk) 16:06, 27 June 2012 (UTC)