Talk:List of victims and survivors of Auschwitz

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Notes[edit]

i think it is disrespectful to list this as 'Noteable' residents. All who suffered and died there should be listed, as this is probably impossible, the wording should be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wakeyjamie (talk • contribs) 22:25, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

-- I would disagree, as WP still retains notability prerequisites. Every incarceration or execution is a personal drama, but that still doesn't make it notable. Mfhulskemper (talk) 01:52, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]


-- It is unfortunate wording, but "notable" is WP terminology, and, as it is impractible to list all sufferers, only those "notable" according to WP guidelines should be listed. I agree with Mfhulskemper; "Notable" here is an unfortunate choice of word, but it is what WP uses 00:01, 26 May 2011 (UTC) DB — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boleslaw (talk • contribs) [reply]

--I have a bit of trouble understanding how "nobles" and relatives have Wikipedia notability just because of their blood or marriage... Isn't "blood" and family links among the primary criteria the Nazi were using? Thus, when we use similar criteria now to establish their outstanding notability, it would seem we have learned but little. It would be of some interest, lacking an as-complete-as-possible list, maybe to have a few actual real notables, people who otherwise would qualify for Wikipedia notability. "Nobility" or familiar links it isn't. yamaplos 02:34, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

-- In my opinion Wikipedia could help fill a hole, by having a list built with verifiable sources that be comprehesive, of every victim that we can list. Many lists otherwise available are specialized, and thus to some extent discriminatory. yamaplos 02:34, 6 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yamaplos (talk • contribs)

Faiths[edit]

Should I add another column on the table for a victim's faith? We have some of their faiths, but for Wikipedia's policy of verifiability, it will be very difficult to verify in many cases what a person's faith was.Hoops gza (talk) 02:51, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Viktor Frankl[edit]

Viktor Frankl claimed to be a survivor of Auschwitz...didnt see his name listed? thanks MHooten — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.44.200 (talk) 15:29, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Purpose?[edit]

What is the purpose of this list?

  1. To list all known victims and survivors?
    • Not part of Wikipedia's ambit.
  2. As a navigation page for all known victims and survivors who have a page in Wikipedia?
  3. As a navigation page for otherwise notable victims and survivors who have a page in Wikipedia?
    • Perhaps...

I'm asking, because an editor, probably a sock of a blocked editor who I've been in conflict with, added Artur Rubin to the list. I'm almost certain this was done to imply that I am improperly using the name of a victim, rather than just using my real name. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 01:56, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Nationality"[edit]

The column "nationality" is completely incorrect and reflects modern American POV. It makes no sense to assign the people the nationalities of modern countries, of which many didn't exist at the time. For example, there existed no Czech nationality, as there was no Czech state. The Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia was a part of the Third Reich, before that there was Czechoslovakia and before that Austria-Hungary.

Sure, there was the Czech nation, but many of those labelled as being of Czech nationality are in fact Jews. The same goes for Poland, which was wiped off the map by Nazis, etc. So I suggest to replace Nationality with Ethnicity and to delete "Faith" to prevent ambiguities.--2A00:1028:83CE:4F2E:2140:5F67:CFCC:C058 (talk) 13:05, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Possible copyright problem[edit]

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Notability of victims and the long-term scope of this article[edit]

I've been having discussions about World War II participants and whether they are notable. I have been discussing Nazis, but I believe that a very broad definition of "notable" should be used for basically anyone involved with the war. The relevant guideline, which is not policy, is WP:GNG; notability is part of the neutrality policy. In general, a person must be mentioned in multiple secondary sources to be "notable."

I don't think it will ever be possible to create detailed articles on every Auschwitz victim and survivor, but is it, or is it not, desirable to have at least a list of all the victims and survivors? That is, might Wikipedia contain such a list, in a hundred years' time?

There is already a substantial amount of macroscopic information about victims and survivors, and a fairly substantial amount of microscopic information. Thus, a person who recorded their personal testimony with Steven Spielberg (thus generating a reliable source), who arrived at Auschwitz in March 1943, and who came from a town in Poland where their marriage announcement and some ads for their business had been placed in local newspapers -- that person has "substantial coverage in reliable secondary sources."

Currently we only know about the Holocaust through the eyes of a very few survivors. But every character in every narrative -- the man who had ill-fitting shoes, the woman who always hoarded her bread -- were real people and can be identified. Every person in every photo can be identified. It's not Wikipedia's purpose to do this on its own, but I do believe that over time sources will emerge that make Wikipedia, as the ultimate tertiary source, able to provide a much more complete documentation of the Holocaust. This is because it is a unique event in human history, the most evil thing humans have ever done; thus, I think, every single person who was involved is worthy of, at least, having their name included on here. But only when there are verifiable independent sources. Roches (talk) 18:15, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Monsewicz[edit]

My Grandfather came from Europe in 1905, Poland I think. My Grandfather and Grandmother divorced when my father was only 2. I didn't know my father because he died when I was only 1. My family here in the States don't talk much about my father. I am writing this because I would like to know if there are any family members in Poland. My plans are to visit Poland this year and hopefully find and/or meet2600:6C4E:D7F:F4AF:5534:1573:99:897 (talk) 23:41, 27 January 2019 (UTC) any family members.[reply] 

Please respond as soon a possible.

Lawrence Michael Monsewicz

Error needs some attention[edit]

There was an obvious error in the heading of the victim table. I have not ascertained whether a legitimate entry was accidentally included in the heading or whether it was simply vandalism, but I've removed it and note that the first entry in the table has no name so there is something wrong. I hope editors more familiar with this article can clean up what's missing.S Philbrick(Talk) 18:52, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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