Talk:List of sports attendance figures/Archive 1

Football leagues with average attendances >10,000 on this old and unsourced list of average attendances but not yet included here:

• Mexico
• Argentina
• Algeria
• Iran
• Indonesia

South African Currie Cup rugby union was averaging over 10,000 in 2003 according to the above link, but googling suggests attendances have since fallen due to the dominance of Super 12/14 - which almost certainly averages well over 10,000 itself however.

Japanese baseball is well attended, but statistics are hard to find in English. There is also a baseball league in South Korea which should be added if anyone has stats.

Some stats for the European basketball would be good. Spain seems to have by far the best attended league. [1]

Having some numbers for handball would be good, though they won't be all that high.

ANYBODY ANY IDEA WHERE I CAN FIND AVERAGE RUGBY ATTENDANCES FOR GAMES IN THE UK FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS? SUCH AS SUPERLEAGUE? THANKS

It'd be great if someone would put some motorsports attendance numbers in there, just for comparison to traditional sports.

Ever hear of Badminton?

How did you people manage to make a listing of sports attendance figures without including badminton? It's widely regarded as the second most popular participant sport in the world after soccer. I came here hoping to find that fact confirmed but a simple text search shows you meticulous fact finders completely glazed over any mention of badminton in the record books. When this sport was added to the Olympics in 1992 it was the first event to sell out. This is a massively popular sport world wide and there is no mention of attendance figures here.

You missed a spot people. Sorry to break the news.

I really doubt badminton is the second most popular sport--Thugchildz 04:52, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Here is a link for you. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sportacademy/ I want to find out what the attendance numbers are in comparison to other sports --Qazx 05:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

• That's number of partipants, not the number who attend matches. Tompw (talk) 10:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Useful stats and good presentation

I have attempted to reuse the data in this page, presenting it in a way that is easier to analyze. This includes dividing up the page by country, and changing the stats used. Added stats are "teams", "total attendance per round", "popularity" (see link for meaning), "number of rounds" and "Visits per person per season". The temporary home of this work is User:Evan_Roberts/Sandbox. --Evan Roberts 01:27, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

NFL vs. MLB

The correlation between revenue and attendance is quite weak. For example NFL is on a par with Major League Baseball financially despite having less than one quarter of the total attendance because it charges much higher ticket prices and has a larger television contract.

Uh...no. The reason is that NFL teams play 16 regular season games each, while MLB teams play 162 regular season games each. —Wrathchild ^(talk) 19:24, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

No, that's the reason why the total attendance is lower, and it is the lack of correlation between total attendances and revenue that was being commented on. CalJW 00:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't make it any clearer. And, besides, it reads like original research. Any cites? —Wrathchild ^(talk) 15:34, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

It seems perfectly simple to me. All the facts mentioned are very well known and indisputably true. I don't think cites are necessary for every single statement of fact, as the footnotes could get longer than the articles, which looks awful, but if you want to find some for this, go ahead. There are Wikipedia articles on the relevant TV contracts, and there is plenty of info about ticket prices on the net. CalJW 04:43, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Super 14

Published (on the net anyway) attendances are very spotty, which has me wondering if there is actually any official record keeping being done. --Paul 08:44, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Let's wait and see if they put out a press release at the end of the competition. If it can't be added due to lack of data, it won't be the only missing competition, or the biggest. ReeseM 00:49, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Seems like each national union releases figures. From the ARU 2004 Annual Report attendances in Australia totalled 472,058 and the average was 25,981. Source:http://www.rugby.com.au/verve/_resources/ARU_2004_Annual_Report_-_Marketing_Report.pdf

According to NZ Rugby World total attendances for New Zealand in 2005 were 675,500. Source: http://www.nzrugbyworld.com/article.aspx?articleid=1547 Maybe if we can get some decent sources from each country the total would be a good estimate. Soundabuser 14:35, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Those ARU rugby figures look dubious: if you do the mathes, there must have been 18.17 games....

Considering it is the first season with 14 teams, I'm quite sure they will be keen to let everyone know what the average crowd was. So will just wait and see. Cvene64 03:55, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Chart organization

Does the chart strike anyone else as being unwieldy? It is difficult to pull out the information you want for a specific entry. Perhaps it should be reorganized by sport to help pull the data together into a format that would help assist those looking for one particular league? Personally, I think that sorting by average is of greater use than sorting by total attendance. I would be willing to reorganize the chart if nobody has any objections. Resolute 16:33, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd agree with the sort by averages. Most of the leagues listed have a decent amount of games, so it's not as though averages will be inflated by a small sample. Whereas now they are favouring, to some degree, competitons that have a huge amount of games. --Charlie The Wonder Dog 09:40, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Would make sense to me, rightly or wrongly most leagues are judged on their average rather than aggregate attendance. While the person(s) who providied all the info for Baseball minor leagues have done a great job, wouldn't these leagues with small average attendances be better off in their own table (ditto smaller European football leagues). I think organizing by sport would be a good idea, if the table becomes anything like complete it will be very hard for a browser to pick out any particular League.

It's a toss up which is best. Obviously in an ideal world Wikipedia would provide sortable tables. The reorganised version ranks NFL Europe, which has 30 games a season and has been pretty much of a failure, above the NBA. Calsicol 02:03, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Sortable would be best, but the old table had a bunch of nothing baseball/ice hockey leagues with very low attendances outweighing a number of national leagues, just by sheer weight of games played.--Angry mob mulls options 08:14, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

How small is too small?

On reading the section about "leagues to be added", particularly, "Australian rules football: Victorian Football League, Northern Territory Football League, Northern Tasmanian Football League, Southern Football League (Tasmania)", I thought I would help out with the last two. The only information I can find is that the average crowd at an NTasFL regular season game is under 1000, and the grand final for the SFL(Tas) last year was about 5000. As such I thought they wouldn't be big enough and planned to delete them, but there are others listed that are smaller - it is really worth adding leagues of this size to the table? -- Chuq 10:05, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I say - it couldn't hurt. But there is a case for reorganisation, say the elite level in the main table, then minor leagues elswhere. Or division by sport, or by nation, etc. --Angry mob mulls options 12:41, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

If Appalachian League and Norwegian Premier League are counted, then even the smallest Tasmanian Australian rules football leagues seem quite large in comparison, and they do matter enough for their respective leagues to publish attendances. I guess if the league is too small to publish attendances, then it is not noteworthy enough to be included. The exceptions are the VFL which is one of the larger state leagues, but can't publish all attendances due to a few being curtainraisers for AFL games.--Rulesfan 03:34, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Rugby League's NL1

Isn't info available for the National League 1 (UK) crowds? although not great, they must be close to a 1,000 average. Also, the NL1 grand final has greater crowds than some already listed.

Crowds are available on 7 of the NL1 clubs' official sites; Batley & Doncaster don't appear to publish theirs, and I can't find an official site for Rochdale. Here's the average figures I've got from the varioue sites -Batley: 976 (1 figure missing, all figures from other clubs); Doncaster: 1,303 (1 figure missing, all figures from other clubs); Halifax: 1,577; Hull KR: 3,423; Leigh: 2,461; Oldham: 1,010; Rochdale: 897 (all figures from other clubs); Whitehaven: 2,165; Widnes: 3,528; York: 1,873;... Which comes up with a surprisingly healthy average of 1,921. I can't find any sites that collect these figures so I've had to do 'em myself; I don't know if they can be included. CharlieT 21:04, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Update: Individual crowd figures are available from www.totalrl.com - the 2005 NL1 season had an average of 2,351, and a total of 207,202, including playoffs. CharlieT 13:34, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

non US Basketball

Anyone have some info on Basketball leagues outside the US? China, Italy, Spain etc. I Can't find any concrete figures googling. For a sport sometimes called the 2nd biggest on the Planet info is hard to come by.

I'll be adding those of the Philippine Basketball Association. --Howard the Duck 15:30, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Home and away

I note the figures for the Australian leagues include final matches for the NRL and the A-League but not for the AFL. If the 9 AFL finals matches are included then for 2005 the total crowds for the AFL would be 6,762,559 with an average of 36,554. See http://stats.rleague.com/afl/crowds/summary.html. For the sake of consistency I think the above aggregate and average should be included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dcorri (talk • contribs) 13:49, 4 July 2006

The finals matches should definately not be included for the NRL and A-League, as they are counted separately for all other leagues in the world. This may be artificially inflating their respective figures. Some minor leagues publish attendances for finals series only (such as the VFL and NTFL).--Rulesfan 03:36, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

WAFL average

This is noted as 1,102 from a total of 184 games. I am not sure where the 184 game figure comes from as it is not mentioned in the cited article. In fact. looking at the 2004 ladder listed at http://www.wafl.com.au/default.aspx?s=historydisplay&aid=97943, each of the 9 teams plays 20 matches during the home and away meaning a total of 90 home and away games for the competion. There are a total of 4 final matches (see http://www.wafl.com.au/default.aspx?s=historydisplay&aid=93053). Rather than 184 games this would mean a total of 94 games and would mean the average would be a more healthy 2157 per game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dcorri (talk • contribs) 13:49, 4 July 2006

It appears the contributor erroneously added all the team's games played together to get 180. Nothing stopping you from fixing them, except that I just did :p--Angry mob mulls options 14:38, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Moved text from article

This list really belongs here; this is transplanted from the article:

This table is incomplete. Please help Wikipedia by adding more leagues. Notable leagues which are not yet listed include:

• Basketball: The national leagues in Europe and Latin America.
• Football (soccer): many leagues worldwide, including the top divisions in Algeria, Argentina, Mexico, Indonesia, Iran,South Africa, Uruguay, Chile, Colombia.
• Rugby league: Queensland Cup and NSWRL Premier League
• Rugby union: national leagues in South Africa and Italy.
• Australian rules football: Victorian Football League
• Volleyball: leagues in Europe and Brazil.
• Handball: leagues in Europe.
• Cricket: All English competitions except Twenty20, Australian Leagues, Indian Leagues and South African Leagues.

Notable competitions which could be added include:

Basketball: Adriatic League

Football: AFC Champions League; CAF Champions League; Copa Libertadores de América; Royal League

Rugby union: Anglo-Welsh Cup.

--Spewmaster 04:18, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

place for events that aren't world cups but occur every four years

Yeah, there should be a place for things like British and Irish Lions tours and related tours.--Hamedog_Talk|^@ 14:45, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Worldfootball rankings not a credible source

I've noticed this website had been used as a source for some leagues such as the PNG RL and Russian RL: http://www.geocities.com/worldfootballrankings2003/Top125Leagues.html

The source is of very doubtful credibility, in fact its extremely dubious to say the least, the site itself has no sources to back up any of its attendences, there is a complete absense of referencing. If you look closer at some of the attendences they're clearly fictitious. For example club attendences Rugby League competitions in Finland, Morrocco, Ukraine and Cananda are found on the website despite the fact that none of these countries have Rugby League competitions. Other attendences for leagues that do actually exist are dated 3 or 4 years, and extremely doubtful in many cases. I think that no attendence should be sourced from this website, its extremely questionable and impossible without another source to tell which attendences are truthful and which are fictitious. It puts into doubt the entire credibility of the article when such a source is used.

Agreed. The figures are very dubious. For example I find it highly doubtful that the Copenhagen Crocodiles (which don't even charge at the gates) can outrank a popular club like the Port Melbourne Borough (which isn't even listed) for crowds. --Spewmaster 04:17, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Disagree: They are from 2003 and are accurate in that year for every league that you can research. Ukraine, Morocco and Finland all have rugby league competitions. --Caesar34 11:13, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

No I follow rugby league and Morocco, Ukraine and Finland do not have competitions. In fact Finland doesnt even have a rugby league organistion, the sport isn't played there at all and never has been. That website has very little credibility what so ever. How can it research leagues that don't even exist?

But they do exist, I have seenf rugby played in Finland and the Ukraine. Do not kow about Morocco but that would make sense as it used to be a French protectorate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 147.10.113.35 (talk) 10:10, 7 January 2007 (UTC).

No one is saying rugby isn't played in the Ukraine or Finland, it is, however Rugby League a separate sport is not. There is a Morroccan national rugby leauge team however no club competition exists, hence the spurious nature of the content. The reality is the website that has been used as a source is complete bs. Any material from this source should be deleted from this article. Also note that there are only 2 league included in this section without total games and total attendance included and both of these leagues are sourced from worldfootballrankings.com. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 211.31.79.5 (talk) 06:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC).

We should ignore the comments of Caesar34. His/Her talk page shows they are a sockpuppet and is now banned.Tancred 15:11, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Canadian Hockey League

The CHL and it's three component leagues, the QMJHL, the OHL, and the WHL are amature leagues, not professional. I'm going to switch it unless someone has a good reason not to. Kevlar67 00:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Mexico Soccer League

I removed this form the attendance table because the average capacity of all the stadiums (capacity's based from the league's wiki article) is only about 46,000. So even if every stadium sold out every game, the average could only have been 46,000, not 57-some like the table said. Based on that I assume it was random vandilism, if not add it back with real numbers with a source. Sportyguy03 19:53, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

It was previously in there with about 25K, also uncited... going by this [2], there aren't going to be any cites.--I like pants 04:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Richest Sports Teams

What is going on here? Is this the top 16 richest Sports Clubs? If So, why aren't the Toronto Maple Leafs on it? On the Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment wiki article, they are worth 325 million CAD, (I changed it into 214.2 million Euros like the section says), so it should be #4. But It surprises me an Icehockey team is worth more than some of the NFL, MLB or Premier league teams listed. Could someone clarify this? Sportyguy03 21:03, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

attendance figures for Le Mans 24 hr

Whoever wrote this list have forgotten the race that is listed by the Guinness Book of Records as the biggest one-day sporting event in the world - the 24 hours of Le Mans at 350,000, I would like to mention that but it is not garanteed to be accurate as I cannot find a source anywhere nor I have any access to the library for the time being. Willirennen 13:30, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

2006 AFL NAB Cup average

The figure doesn't seem to add up. I get 15,732 ... Going to add this year's figures anyway. --Rulesfan 23:10, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Super confused

Is it just me or are the attendences thrown off? NBA at 29,000 a game? NHL at 12,500? CFL is just under 29,000 not just over.

why are they all thrown off?Sportyguy03 02:24, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: That's because it's a bogus figure. If you actually click on the source, it says the average NBA attendance is 17,314, not 29,000 (http://www.nba.com/news/attendancerecords_060420.html?rss=true). Considering the NBA is filled with a bunch of idiots, it doesn't surprise me. I changed it. - [User:LukeAtmiaz|LukeAtmiaz]], April 24, 2007

Yeah, and I fixed the NHL.Sportyguy03 14:04, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Article split

This article is 75KB in size, and is not going to get any smaller. Therefore, I propose splitting off the "Domestic professional leagues" section into a seperate article, entitled List of attendance figures at domestic professional sports leagues. (Rather a long a title - please feel free to suggest something better). This would reduce the main article down to 45KB or so. What do people think? Tompw (talk) 10:35, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

In view of the lack of comment, I've gone ahead and done this. Tompw (talk) 17:05, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

The Total & Average attendance FIGURE for the 2006 - 2007 Ashes Series are WRONG........ It's not possible to have an average attendance of 160,000 when the biggest stadium (MCG) has a capacity of just 100,000... The values are wrong and need to be corrected..