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2022 Edmund Burke School Shooting

On April 22, shots were reported at the Edmund Burke School in Washington DC. Do we plan on adding this to the list? I'm aware there's some speculation regarding the situation, but nevertheless it was a School Shooting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MateoFrayo (talk • contribs) 23:06, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

2000 is not in the 21st century

2000 is the last year of the 20th century not the frist year of the 21st. 2600:387:F:E1B:0:0:0:5 (talk) 23:21, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Propose numbering

The list should tell the reader the number of shootings in the article. If that means adding a number column on the left side, then it needs to be done. These articles need to inform the reader of basic information, such as how many have occurred, how many happen on average, and how this compares to the rest of the world. Viriditas (talk) 23:34, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

NPR reports there have been 27 to date (with source), but this list only shows 18 for 2022. Viriditas (talk) 00:23, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 May 2022

Adding a school shooting that happened at Robb Elementary School today, 3/24/2022 in Uvalde, Texas. No causalities reported as of now PapaPancakes33 (talk) 19:02, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

It's in the list now. RudolfRed (talk) 00:25, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

1995 shooting

1995 shooting at john Marshall high school in Portland Oregon, shooter was James Smith I forget all the details but I remember it happening. It was in the cafeteria 2601:1C0:5900:3870:18A8:E25E:4BAE:6562 (talk) 02:34, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Should this be taken down?

To avoid copycat killings, should this be taken down? 69.23.98.145 (talk) 03:13, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Washington High School shooting, February 20, 2002

The age of shooter, Phillip D. Jackson Jr. should be added. He was 22 at the time of shooting. Samybo (talk) 08:20, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Done. The Crab Who Played With The Sea (talk) 17:37, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Rename Article?

Rename to List of school shootings in the United States (2000-present)? Better reflects the article and differentiates from List of school shootings in the United States (before 2000).Yeoutie (talk) 02:58, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Binghamton Religion Professor Richard Antoun Killed by Saudi Student Abdulsalam al-Zahrani

Date: December 4, 2009 Location: Binghamton, NY Deaths: 1 Description: A 46-year-old Binghamton University graduate student from Saudi Arabia was charged on Saturday with killing a retired anthropology professor, a specialist in Islamic and Middle Eastern studies with whom he had worked. Abdulsalam S. al-Zahrani, was charged with second-degree murder in the death of the professor, Richard T. Antoun, who was stabbed in his office in the university’s Science I building on Friday afternoon.[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pwodzisz (talk • contribs) 17:58, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/06/nyregion/06binghamton.html

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2022

Date: February 10, 2016 Location: Glendale, Arizona Deaths: 2 Description: February 12 murder-suicide at Glendale's Independence High School, involving two 15 year-old female students, Dorothy Dutiel and May Kieu. Suicide notes, apparently from the alleged shooter Dutiel, were released with the report along with a compact disc of crime scene photos. Pwodzisz (talk) 17:46, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. MadGuy7023 (talk) 17:53, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
Sorry...that was my first one...I will do this from now on. https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/slideshow/glendale-teen-shooters-suicide-notes-crime-scene-photos-released-by-police-8092906 Pwodzisz (talk) 17:59, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Amy Bishop at University of Alabama

Date: February 12, 2010 Location: Huntsville, AL Deaths: 3 Injured: 3 Description: [1][2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pwodzisz (talk • contribs) 18:15, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Alabama_in_Huntsville_shooting
  2. ^ https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/02/11/a-loaded-gun

The 21st century list is missing a 2017 school shooting in Freeman, WA

Add the 2017 shooting that happened in Freeman, WA at Freeman High School.

Description: On September 13, 2017, a gunman opened fire at Freeman. The alleged suspect, 15-year-old sophomore Caleb Sharpe, brought two guns, an AR-15 rifle and a Colt 1903 pistol then killed one student, Sam Strahan, who was attempting to prevent the shooting from taking place. Three other students were injured and taken to the hospital. Sharpe was tried as an adult, and his trial date was set for October 5, 2020, but has been pushed back to June 2021, due to COVID-19. The trial was again been pushed back to January 2022 however Sharpe pled guilty before the trial began. 2601:602:C600:A00:70B6:1144:264E:CD01 (talk) 20:15, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Chad Escobedo shooting at Springwater Trail High School

A total of 10 students suffered minor injuries from shards of glass. 2 of those students were transported to Mount Hood Medical Center for minor lacerations; the other 8 were treated by emergency medical personnel at the school. All students were evacuated by police and school officials and placed on school buses where they were met by parents at a designated location. 15 year old Chad Antonio Escobedo remains incarcerated in the Donald E. Long Juvenile detention facility.[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pwodzisz (talk • contribs) 21:21, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.salem-news.com/articles/april182007/gresham_shooter_41807.php

Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2022

Can we add a counter to the list of shootings?

Can we add statements to the tables to list the total number of incidents? We can use the `{table row counter|id=tablename}}` to count the rows.

Example - For the 2000s table:
The original unmodified table looks like:
=== 2000s ===
{|class="sortable wikitable" style="font-size:100%;" ...
Now we add a name to the table: id="2000s"
and then add a statement that shows the total: {{table row counter|id=2000s}} incidents.

The result should look like this: === 2000s ===
{{table row counter|id=2000s}} incidents.
{|class="sortable wikitable" style="font-size:100%;" id="2000s" ...

Then we can then also have a total counter for the whole century with:
`Total incidents listed here for the 21st century:
{{#expr: {{table row counter|id=2000s}}+{{table row counter|id=2010s}}+{{table row counter|id=2020s}} }}`
118.92.15.5 (talk) 16:03, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Aaron Liu (talk) 09:22, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Scope of this article is too wide

A 8-year old child found his mother's gun under his mother's bed and brought it to his school in his backpack. On Tuesday, May 17th at around 10 AM the gun accidentally discharged in the students backpack in the classroom and injured a 7-year old classmate.

Really? A shooting should involve at least one death, or else this will remain giant. --Bageense(disc.) 06:02, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

See the link above. Education Week has the definitive list. Once again, it’s odd that the the US government doesn’t track these statistics, but apparently the gun lobby has influenced elected representatives to prevent multiple agencies from studying the problem. Viriditas (talk) 08:25, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

In over 200 of the "school shootings" on this list, no one was killed. In one of them, a BB pellet went through a school bus window in a rural area and no one was killed or even injured. The RS doesn't call it a school shooting, so we shouldn't be calling it that. This list is currently one of media-reported firearm discharges that occurred proximate to an educational campus property (in college parking lots, adjacent streets, outside athletic fields, near stadiums, etc.) and which also includes shootings that happened in a school. BBQboffin (talk) 18:41, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

@Bageense I agree—this is ridiculous. Nobody would think of this type of incident when they hear "school shooting". Oktayey (talk) 19:23, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 June 2022

Addition: School Shooting at Ulysses S. Grant High School in Valley Glen, CA

Date: 2022-06-01

Location: Ulysses S. Grant High School in Valley Glen, CA

Deaths: 0

Injuries: 1

Description: "Both LA School police and officers from the Los Angeles Police department responded to the scene, and believe the incident might have been gang-related. According to police, a male student was shot in the leg, in the area of Oxnard St. and Coldwater Canyon, in front of the school, and was transported to Cedars Sinai in stable condition. Authorities also reported that shots might have come from a vehicle and that units were searching for a green Honda Accord."

[1] Buckleyc (talk) 14:58, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/live-updates/one-student-shot-outside-grant-high-school-in-valley-glen/

Hubbard Woods Elementary School, Winnetka Illinois. 1988

This school was left off the list. The shooter was 30 year old Laurie Dann. She killed 1 child, herself and injured 6 others. May 20, 1988 152.117.107.205 (talk) 21:24, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

That is in List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(before_2000)#1980s. Makes me ill we have to break this into two articles for length. valereee (talk) 13:59, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

excludes rejected suitors and estranged spouses...why?

Why would we exclude just these? If it happened on school grounds, it's a school shooting, isn't it? I feel like this is kind of saying, "Oh, if it's a guy pissed at a woman, it doesn't really count because it was only coincidental that he tracked her down where he knew she'd be, and that happened to be in a school." Same could be said for any victim who was a target rather than a random person who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, couldn't it? valereee (talk) 14:52, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Correction to May 16, 2001 shooting information

Correction to May 16, 2001 shooting at Pacific Lutheran University: The cited article from the Seattle Post Intelligencer states that the suspect shot the victim four times with a 9mm pistol, not a .22 pistol as described in this table. The suspect was carrying a .22 pistol but the shooting was performed with a 9mm pistol. Sam Altenberger (talk) 01:36, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 4 June 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) >>> Extorc.talk 06:42, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

List of school shootings in the United States → List of school shootings in the United States (after 2000) – I've seen that there is an article of the EXACT same type, but before 2000. So I think it would be good to move it over to "(After 2000)". Just to clear up confusion. Bigeshjen (talk) 13:16, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Addition

This should be added as it took place on a college campus and a college is a school.[1]2600:1010:B168:874F:C40:A99C:E9F9:37D0 (talk) 19:10, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/multiple-people-shot-clark-atlanta-homecoming-party/H5BOQBYYLJB25IOUI72M37HKSA/

Semi-protected edit request on 4 November 2022

Add Dodge City Community College shooting.

https://www.kwch.com/content/news/Police-arrest-3-in-Dodge-City-Community-College-shooting-377339911.html?outputType=amp 199.3.212.82 (talk) 01:02, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

This might be possible, but the source you cite is confusing and contradictory. It first identifies three "victims". There's no indication of whether they were killed or only wounded, or how serious the injuries might be; if a bullet only grazes the skin that person is a "victim" but not seriously injured. Then later the article says, "Several cars were hit by bullets but nobody was hurt", which makes no sense if there were victims. We need more details. Sundayclose (talk) 01:14, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. Aoidh (talk) 03:16, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
Although I'm sure the previous comment was made in good faith, I disagree that consensus is required if (and only if) better, clearer sources are provided. Without a better source, even consensus is insufficient to add an item that is not well sourced. Most, if not all, of the entries in this list were not contingent on consensus, just appropriate sourcing. If better sources were provided, I wouldn't hesitate to add the item with no discussion unless someone makes a cogent objection to inclusion. I've restored the status of this request to "unanswered", at least for a bit longer, so that others will be aware about the need for sources. Sundayclose (talk) 03:27, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
Consensus determines if a source is sufficient. The source, as given, verifies that there was a shooting at the school and meets the criteria described in the lede, it is your objection to the source that creates a need for consensus for inclusion. The need for sourcing does not mean the question is unanswered; sitting in a queue will not create sources, and the purpose of that template is not to make others aware of issues, it is the request that a specific edit be made, and in its current state, the edit is not ready to be made. - Aoidh (talk) 16:48, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
@Aoidh: Respectfully, I fully agree with everything except for the need to immediately close the request as answered. Others are more likely to notice and possibly respond to a request if it still open. If someone else considers the source sufficient, then that can be stated here and if necessary we can discuss it. My questioning of the source is insufficient reason to mark the request as answered. I have opinions, but I alone don't decide whether a request should be added to the article. Please explain, if I had never questioned the source, if I had that much authority here, would that mean you would not close it? My desire has been to get the item in the article if possible, not to stop discussion. If you think the request can be left as unanswered by my striking my comment, I'll do so. Please tell me so I'll know whether to do that. But I'll ask you in good faith to go ahead and change the status to unanswered because there's no need to edit war over keeping the request open. I accept your actions as done in good faith. But I think what you just did could very well prevent a legitimate item from being added to the article. I don't think that's your intent. Thanks. Sundayclose (talk) 18:31, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
The purpose of that template is absolutely not to invite others here to comment and discuss the applicability of a source, it is solely to ask for uncontroversial changes to be implemented in an article that cannot otherwise be edited by the person making the request, per WP:EDITXY. Your comment objecting to the addition suggests that it is not uncontroversial, so a consensus is needed to enact controversial changes via that template. Discussion is neither halted nor hampered by the answering of that template, as discussion is outside of its scope. If you have changed your mind on the entry and feel that the source is sufficient, there is nothing stopping you from adding the entry yourself, in which case the edit request is no longer necessary. - Aoidh (talk) 19:13, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
I never said or even hinted in any of my comments that the template is to "invite others here to comment" as you have now stated two times. If you think I did I'd like to see a direct quotation. I only said, "Others are more likely to notice and possibly respond to a request if it still open." Since you seem determined to leave this discussion closed because of my initial comment, I'll strike it, re-open the request, and wait at least a couple days to see if anyone offers a better source. I'll reconsider whether I think it is a sufficient source. I may be able to find another source myself if I have time. The edit is not controversial so does not require consensus unless there is an objection to the source, per the docs for the template. If I had never made my first comment, it would have been inappropriate for you to close the request that included a source only two hours after the request was posted. Please don't close the request until or unless someone objects to leaving it open for good reason, or there are no responses after a few days. I'll be happy to close it myself at that point. I suspect within a couple of days the item will be added to the article or this request will be closed. That's quite reasonable. Thanks. Sundayclose (talk) 20:53, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
If you think further discussion or better sources are needed, then it is inappropriate to have the request open and unanswered, as the only purpose of that template is for someone who cannot otherwise edit the page to request an uncontroversial change to the article. That request has been answered, and reopening it serves no purpose. If despite your own objections you feel the edit is appropriate, then insert it into the article yourself, as that's the only purpose of that edit request template, and you do not need to request an edit you are capable of making yourself. - Aoidh (talk) 21:06, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
Ok, I don't officially think further discussion or better sources are needed. I'll add the item within the next day or two. Thanks. Sundayclose (talk) 21:09, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
Because you asked, the I've restored the status of this request to "unanswered", at least for a bit longer, so that others will be aware about the need for sources. is specifically what I'm referring to, as that's not what the template is for. Also see Others are more likely to notice and possibly respond to a request if it still open. If someone else considers the source sufficient, then that can be stated here and if necessary we can discuss it. - Aoidh (talk) 21:13, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done. Particular thanks to IP 199.3.212.82 for making this request. Sundayclose (talk) 01:57, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Why does the list include someone accidentally shooting themself?

Most people wouldn’t call this a school shooting. 2600:100D:B0CA:938:BC0B:684F:686D:9B19 (talk) 15:49, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Because someone is shot at a school. Read the exclusion criteria at the top of the article. Sundayclose (talk) 15:53, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

All of the 2010s are missing

Nothing is showing from 2007 and on 47.222.66.250 (talk) 22:37, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

I see them. "Contents" includes
  • 19th and 20th centuries
  • 21st century
  • 2000s
  • 2010s
  • 2020s
  •  See also
  • Notes
  • References
  • Bibliography
  • External
  • links
"2000s" contains "68 incidents.", etc. DavidMCEddy (talk) 00:35, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 January 2023

The February 27, 2008 entry states, "33-year-old James Earl Matthews was shot in the stomach and buttocks as close range..." This should read, "...at close range..." Thank you! 47.181.151.229 (talk) 20:22, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

 Done Melmann 20:34, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 January 2023

Please remove the "19th and 20th centuries" section (including the {{main}} template), and the "21st century" section header. Since this is a list of shootings since 2000, people wouldn't expect a pre-2000 list to appear, and it's out of scope for this list. Also, please add a link to List of school shootings in the United States (before 2000) to the See Also section, since it's quite relevant. 192.180.91.15 (talk) 21:32, 29 January 2023 (UTC) 192.180.91.15 (talk) 21:32, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

 Done: the other article needs to be easily accesible from here, but this was a clumsy way of doing it. Also managed to flatten out the ToC in the process, which is a good thing after vector 2022 small jars tc 19:20, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

List is missing August 2022 shooting at Lennard High School in Ruskin, FL

https://www.tampabay.com/news/breaking-news/2022/08/18/man-shot-in-lennard-high-school-parking-lot-hillsborough-deputies-say/ 47.196.6.42 (talk) 16:48, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

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