Talk:List of people burned as heretics

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Notes[edit]

Can someone explain the cross symbol in a footnote? I would, but for ignorance.

The article says that Bartholomew Legate was burned by Church of England, but the article on Legate says he was turned over to civil authorities and burned by them.--198.93.113.49 19:31, 3 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Now it is repaired. No Church ever burned anybody, it was always a secular arm. -- Vít Zvánovec 09:40, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This article doesn't list or mention any sources. For a topic like this it seems that sources are important. Could whoever built the list possibly provide a citation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.34.192.244 (talk) 03:29, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Religion of executioners[edit]

It would probably be better to not name the religion of the executioners after each listed victim. If it's completely necessary to know that, then have separate lists under different headings, one for each denomination. I'm going to go ahead and do that now. Tix 20:30, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

OK. -- Vít Zvánovec 09:40, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've looked into it more, and it has become clear that this "article" was written to malign Christianity. Just look at the external link which I deleted: it went to an article written by some Catholic priest turned atheist about how much his old Church sucks. Also, there was an internal link to Unitarianism which I deleted. The only reason I can imagine for this link being here is because someone wants to suggest Unitarianism as a much better alternative to all these Christian demonizations...sorry, denominations. Tix 20:56, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This external link was deleted twice, I won't return it anymore. But it was very useful: It is a comprehensive list of victims of the Church, not just of burned people.

Unitarians were common victims, that's why I've thought it was useful to link that article. Your speculation is not underlayed. -- Vít Zvánovec 09:40, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

im sorry but your sources are wrong as in five years bloody mary had her executiners take 284 heretics lives —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.163.86.169 (talk) 20:12, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Religion of executioners[edit]

Text says: "Those burned by xy executioners". In Roman Catholic Inquisition, executioner was from government, not Church. Church only condemned accused in trial for heresy. Attack at state religion, was attack at the state, so state was the one who did execution - for treason. In fact, we don't really know religion of executor (the person who did the act of execution. So more proper term is needed. I think "condemned by organs of xy Church" is more proper. --Tomy108 (talk) 22:59, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong Peter Cole The hyperlink is to "Peter Cole (born 1957 Paterson, New Jersey)" who is not the person meant in the article. I don't know how to fix this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Campolongo (talk • contribs) 07:13, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Excusing the Church[edit]

Whether or not the Church is "accountable" for people they convicted but had the government execute is a matter of opinion, not fact. But I would submit that many have been convicted of war crimes who never personally killed anyone. Telling someone else to kill is generally counted as morally equivalent to killing someone yourself.--Prosfilaes (talk) 06:42, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your phrase "telling someone else to kill" implies that that's how it happened. I'm not aware of any case in which it happened that way. This was the standard formula used for handing over convicted heretics to the secular court: “We dismiss you from our ecclesiastical forum, and abandon you to the secular arm. But we strongly beseech the secular court to mitigate its sentence in such a way as to avoid bloodshed or danger of death.” (Eymeric’s Directorium Inquisitorum 3a pars, p. 515, col. 2, as cited in Vacandard, The Inquisition: A Critical and Historical Study of the Coercive Power of the Church [London, UK: Longman, Greens & Co, 1908], 178-179.) There is no hint of "telling someone else to kill [them]" in this formula or any other conviction formula that I am aware of. For its time, Canon Law was quite prohibitive on this point -- clerics were forbidden from executing anyone, from requiring anyone else to do so, and from being present if an execution took place. (Decretals of Gregory IX Book 3 Title 50 Chapter 9) Executions certainly happened; but it would be far from the truth to say that Catholicism "told someone else to do it." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.244.124.122 (talk) 00:40, 22 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

1100 Tortured to Death[edit]

Is there any reference for this figure? Or is it purely an assertion from the "they did it too" brigade? Also does this include people like Guy Fawkes who were executed not because of their Catholic beliefs as such, but because of what must be seen as acts of High Treason - blowing up Parliament and massacring the political establishment isn't an essential part of Catholic piety as far as I'm aware! This needs to be limited to people who were specifically executed due to having unorthodox religious beliefs which were deemed to be a threat by the Church and State. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.89.1.33 (talk) 06:56, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This statistic is total shit; as is the sloppy use of the word Anglican. --OhNoPeedyPeebles (talk) 00:01, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Let's change some silly text please[edit]

List of people burned as heretics From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.

How do we change this so it's not looking like Wikipedia is asking people to burn others alive? Lots42 (talk) 01:31, 14 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps a good way whilst staying within guidelines would be to use some variation of the Dynamic List template, as seen here. It incldues a few more words that may remove the ambiguity from the sentence. In any case, either a new template would need to be made, or the note will need to be manually added.

90.255.41.54 (talk) 11:33, 15 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I say we keep it the same as its humorous and more importantly it's not like anyone would actually follow the instructions of a wikipedia page and burn people alive.

94.195.9.216 (talk) 10:12, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Work needed[edit]

Page needs criteria , better formatting, also, listing of individuals under "catholic" and Protestant countries needs sorting out, might be better to do it by immolating authority. i.e, burned by Catholic authority, burned by Protestant authority. It's an embarrassment to the project as it stands.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:14, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

User:Soccerstarter ?[edit]

At least some edits made by User:Soccerstarter seem to me to be a hoax, so I have reverted them. People weren't burned in Paris 1830. The editor has not answered my questions.Xx236 (talk) 14:05, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ramihrdus of Cambrai[edit]

He was lynched, not punished by Christian Church. Xx236 (talk) 14:17, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Several problems[edit]

I have removed words "The book "Acts and Monuments" by John Foxe, commonly known as Foxe's Book of Martyrs lists many more than this." Either we comment all sections or none.
Many names are unsourced. Either we add the names or remove them.Xx236 (talk) 13:51, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Why "burned" only? Is drownig or hanging better?

Xx236 (talk) 13:51, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Incineration-happy England[edit]

Although I'm sure each victim's name is bona fide, collectively the picture looks skewed: a very large proportion of those killed in England. Why is this? Is it because of wikipedia's anglophone readership?

Continental Europe was at least as, if not more, cruel in inflicting this type of execution than England (take Spain's mass burnings of Protestants and Jewish conversos, for example), yet Albion comes across as the most egregious culprit - unfairly it appears. During the "witch craze", for example, England and Wales were by far the least-worst in terms of meting out physical torture and stake burnings, and even convictions.

This probably isn't deliberate, but it's still an unbalanced view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.159.144.140 (talk) 18:09, 2 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]