Talk:List of non-state terrorist incidents in Sri Lanka

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Removal of referenced content[edit]

User:LahiruG has twice removed referenced content citing List of (non-state) terrorist incidents as an example. However, this article is called List of terrorist incidents in Sri Lanka, it is not called List of (non-state) terrorist incidents in Sri Lanka. If LahiruG wants to create an article just for non-state terrorist incidents in Sri Lanka he should do so rather than taking onwership of this list. This is unacceptable as pointed out in the Afd.--obi2canibetalk contr 10:51, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It is not necessary to create a separate List of (non-state) terrorist incidents in Sri Lanka here, because this list is the standard 'non state terrorist incidents by country' page of Sri Lanka. No terrorist incidents by country lists have used the word (non state) in it's title as terrorist incident redirects to the list of non state terrorist incidents parent article. When I created this list and during the Afd, I have clearly mentioned that this list as a non state terrorist incidents list in the lead section of the article ( you have removed the term [non-state] recently to mislead the other users). The content you have added may be well referenced but they are not relevant to this article. Surprisingly during the Afd you were not interested to add those/expand this article rather than vehemently trying to delete it. Now after it was decided to keep as a non state terrorist incidents of Sri Lanka, you are trying to condemn this list and frustrate me by adding irrelevant content to it. I am not trying to own this article, but anyone who edits this list should adhere to the standards and guidelines of WP, irrespective of their edit counts.--LahiruG talk 05:56, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You are arguing WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS again, like you did at the Afds to no avail. I removed the term "non-state" because the title does not include it. You cannot call an article something and then restrict its content - that is taking onwership of the article. The content is relevant because they are terrorist incidents. You tried to exclude non-state terrorism from Terrorism in Sri Lanka but at the DRN you were slapped down and had to grudgingly allow non-state terrorism in the article. Now you are tying to do the same with this article. I'm afraid it is you who is violating policies, specifically WP:NPOV, by restricting the content to terrorist incidents you disapprove of. If you want restrict the content please go and create List of (non-state) terrorist incidents in Sri Lanka.--obi2canibetalk contr 15:09, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I have already explained to you why it is not necessary to rename this list or to create a new article. When I created this list and during the AfD I have clearly stated that, this is the list of [non-state] terrorist incidents in Sri Lanka and the term (non-state) was not used as it is a standard in WP not to use it in terrorist incidents by country pages, because Terrorist incident redirects to the list of non state terrorist incidents parent article. This is a different page and the decision at the DRN by the mediator to add "brief overview of a sub-topic (State terrorism is a sub topic of overall terrorism) " is not relevant to the list of (non state) terrorist incidents of Sri Lanka. After I have created this list you vehemently tried to delete it by doing anything you could have done, but after it was decided to keep this list as a non state terrorist incidents of Sri Lanka, now you are shamelessly trying add irrelevant information to denigrate its value. --LahiruG talk 05:20, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
And I have already explained that you are arguing WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and taking onwership of the article by limiting the content to terrorist incidents you disapprove of. Wikipedia isn't run according to the diktats of one editor. It is run according to policies and guidelines a number of which you are violating. You keep referring to Terrorist incident but ignore the fact that it has been redirected. If we are to follow this as an example, this article should be redirected List of (non-state) terrorist incidents in Sri Lanka.--obi2canibetalk contr 14:10, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
As I have said already the issue is not the ownership of this list or other stuff exists arguments. Your self, your friends and any other users who are interested can contribute and add non state terrorist incidents in this article. though it was agreed to add a brief summary at the DRN about 'state terrorism' in the page ' terrorism in Sri Lanka', now you are using that as an excuse to attack the SL government by adding irrelevant content to Terrorism in Sri Lanka and this list. SL gov forces are the legitimate forces that protect the independent country of Sri Lanka and they have the right to eliminate Marxist or any other form of terrorism from its territory to protect all the citizens live in the country. Wikipedia do not accept incidents that have happened as a result of any gov. forces using its forces to protect its territory as terrorist incidents. If you do not accept this, i am afraid you have to challenge the policies and standards of Wikipedia uses for terrorism, before adding those contents (I have already added them to the relevant article). You are so stubborn (or may be any other user is forcing/instructing you to do so) and do not accept it and that is the only problem I see here. Since terrorist incident redirects to the list of non state terrorist incidents, it is totally unnecessary to deviate from the accepted policies and standards of Wikipedia to make this a special list to satisfy the users who are hating Sri Lankan government for saving the citizens of Sri Lanka from various forms of extremists. -- LahiruG talk 07:16, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid it is you who is going against Wikipedia policies. Wikipedia does not pass judgement on what is right and what is wrong - it merely reports what is WP:V from WP:RS. In this case numerous WP:RS were given but you have unilaterally decided to WP:CENSOR these to push your own WP:POV. You have again brought up Terrorist incidents/List of terrorist incidents - there was an editor on this article, just like you, who wanted to limit its content to non-state incidents but as this was unacceptable the article was renamed List of (non-state) terrorist incidents. Therefore this article should also be renamed List of (non-state) terrorist incidents in Sri Lanka. The rest of your vile comments about how Sri Lankan war heroes have the right to murder, rape and torture tens of thousands do defend the motherland have no relevance in deciding the content of this or any other article.--obi2canibetalk contr 10:51, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't done any thing against the Wikipedia policies here, rather than following the standards of similar lists to create this one. As I have said earlier, none of the non-state terrorist incident lists by country/city have used the word (non-state) in their titles, other-than in the parent list of terrorist incidents. Concidering the content I have decided to move this to the suggested title. But still you haven't given a valid policy to do so, other than blaming me and SL forces in your reply above. No one, whether they are gov forces of a country or extremists have the right to kill or harm civilians. If anyone has committed crimes they will be surely punished (unless they are already punished) by the natural law of Karma one-day in my view. Similarly if someone did good to the others they will defenitely recieve the good consequences and due respect for their deeds one day. --LahiruG talk 09:52, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad you've finally seen sense.--obi2canibetalk contr 12:52, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

2017 March[edit]

English Wikipedia administrator User:Tavix moved the parent list List of non-state terrorist incidents to List of terrorist incidents on 8 March 2017, to sync with all other terrorist incident related articles. Hence this article also moved back to 'List of terrorist incidents in Sri Lanka' to remove the term 'non-state' in its heading to emulate with other non-state terrorist incidents by country lists. --LahiruG talk 09:22, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This has been discussed before. You cannot move without getting consensus.--Obi2canibe (talk) 12:35, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The 'consensus' you are referring here must be your personal approval to move this page to the normal title since you have claimed the ownership of many Sri Lankan civil war related articles for sometime now. Currently the WP terrorist incidents lists by countries, including the master/parent list, do not use the term “non-state” in the page titles. Therefore I firmly believe that this list should also move to the title ‘List of terrorist incidents in Sri Lanka’ to sync with the other list of terrorist incidents by countries in WP. However I have not reverted your move to prevent an unnecessary edit war, but notified this issue at WP:ANI to correct the title of this page. --LahiruG talk 10:48, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@LahiruG: I have responded at ANI.--Obi2canibe (talk) 12:31, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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This article was renamed recently List of (non-state) terrorist incidents in Sri Lanka to List of terrorist incidents in Sri Lanka without any discussion. The reason for the inclusion of "(non-state)" in the title was that some editors refuse to allow non-state incidents to be included in this list (see discussion above from August/September 2015). As long as this continues to be the case "(non-state)" needs to in the title.--Obi2canibe (talk) 14:49, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Terrorist incidents are usually (though not always) identified with attacks against the public or the government, hence the distinction "State terrorism". And an article about State terrorism already exists, why not include incidents related to the state there? It would make more sense while also complimenting the article itself.--Blackknight12 (talk) 15:36, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There is no reason whatsoever to include "non-state" in the title as all other country specific terrorist incidents articles do not contain the term "non-state" in the title including the parent List of terrorist incidents. This article also should follow the same terrorist incidents articles and kept in-line with them. But unfortunately one user who vehemently tried to delete this article when it was created, now pretends that he doesn't understand the definition of 'terrorism' to keep "non-state" in the title of the page. --LahiruG talk 06:50, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Blackknight12: State terrorism is not distinct from terrorism, it is merely a form of terrorism. As the lede in terrorism says, it is used both by governments and non-state groups to abuse or denounce opposing groups. That is why terrorism has a sub-section on state terrorism, as do many of the country specific articles, including Terrorism in Sri Lanka.
@LahiruG: Similar articles don't have "non-state" in their titles because they don't have an editor (you, in this case) who is preventing the inclusion of state terrorist incidents.
Terrorism is abhorrent, irrespective of who commits it. Making distinction between incidents, by conjuring up conditions to exclude them from a list, effectively condones some incidents and says the victims deserved to die. This is vile.--Obi2canibe (talk) 11:51, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Obi2canibe: Terrorist incidents are committed by terrorist organizations such as Al-Kaeda and LTTE. Attacks attributed to government forces can not be categorized as terrorist incidents as the responsibility for those incidents lies with recognized armed forces of a specific country or their allies. Hence those incidents are not categorized under terrorist incidents, which is the current practice in Wikipedia. As an example Attacks attributed to Syrian forces are not categorized as terrorist incidents. see list of terrorist incidents in Syria and parent list. It is the same principle used in this page too.
Regarding your comment on me: If you were interested in including incidents to this list, then why did you try to delete this page first, when it was created in 2015? The reason for not having "non-state" in other country wise terrorist incidents lists is that those pages do not have an editor like you, who is always trying to whitewash crimes committed by a certain terrorist group while blaming the government and its forces for everything. --LahiruG talk 11:28, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@LahiruG: I'm afraid your first comment is simply your own opinion. The State terrorism phenomenon has been long documented. The two examples you've provided are examples of WP:NPOV as their titles suggest they are about something but their contents are about something else. Both need to be re-named.
The reason why I wanted to delete this article, as you know very well, was that it duplicated content from another article, List of attacks attributed to the LTTE. We have proliferation of lists related to the Sri Lankan civil war as both sides try to score points by creating lists to showcase how horrid their opponents are.--Obi2canibe (talk) 14:15, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Obi2canibe: You cannot simply change the article name as your wish. Every editor who comment this talk session doesn't agree with you. Only you want to change the name. Reasons to keep name as List of terrorist incidents in Sri Lanka
  • Similar articles don't have "non-state" in their titles
  • All other country specific terrorist incidents articles do not contain the term "non-state" in the title including the parent List of terrorist incidents.
  • terrorism has a sub-section on state terrorism, as do many of the country specific articles, including Terrorism in Sri Lanka. So no need to mention non state here.

Please understand and don't change the name. Randeepa

WP:PRECISION requires that article titles should be precise enough to unambiguously define the topical scope of the article. One editor has for many years insisted that non-state terrorist incidents can't be included in this article. If the article doesn't include non-state terrorist incidents it cannot be called List of terrorist incidents in Sri Lanka.
As you've stated, Terrorism has a sub-section on State terrorism and Terrorism in Sri Lanka has a sub-section on Sri Lanka and state terrorism. So, why can't List of terrorist incidents in Sri Lanka include non-state terrorist incidents?--Obi2canibe (talk) 15:45, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

RfC: terrorist incidents list criteria[edit]

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of terrorist incidents#RfC: List criteria. – Levivich 18:05, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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