Talk:List of downloadable songs for the Rock Band series/Archive 1

Just a silly thing that's irking me.

Who changed the first artist to 'As Made Famous By Creedence Clearwater Revival'? That makes it both a dead link and redundant. Needs to be switched back. Asci

EDIT: That was awfully quick. Alan Jackson is on the list twice could someone remove one.Gunter79 (talk) 02:24, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Links to youtube videos?

I would love to add links to youtube videos. Often I'm not sure whether I know the song or not, so I have to google/youtube it to be sure. I think I'm not alone with that problem. What do you guys think? Bastis123 (talk) 10:47, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

As most youtube videos of this type are copyright violations (not uploaded by the persons holding the IP), we can never link to them. Nor would it be proper to do so even if they were legit. --MASEM (t) 12:04, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Going along the "proper" side of things - Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Youtube videos for all songs are more for fan sites like scorehero.com. I agree that having a place to watch the charts in a YT vid would be nice, but it's just not appropriate for here. --Teancum (talk) 12:29, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

[1] there ya go. MiTfan3 (talk) 17:14, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Just a general comment, but the main idea behind this is that while Wikipedia is edited and maintained by anyone that wants to contribute, it does not just become whatever those people want. It is first and foremost an encyclopedia. There have been guidelines set up that aim to direct Wikipedia to that goal. So while it seems natural to be able to do what would be most helpful, those helpful things do not always fit with the site being an encyclopedia. Rowdyoctopus (talk) 06:29, 19 March 2009 (UTC) Just as an outside tip: My site has been including youtube videos forever, and let me assure you it's waaaaay more work than you want to maintain. Lots of videos got wiped by Warner Music a while back, and I'm still finding broken videos, or ones changed to private. Long story short, it's a logistical nightmare. - Chris from rbdlc.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.172.140.138 (talk) 16:36, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Change the location of "Upcoming Songs"

One of the most useful sections of this article, "Upcoming Songs", is sequestered at the end of an ever-increasing list. As it is the only section I personally visit this article for anymore, I find it rather annoying to have to wait for the list to load (which can sometimes take a while for me for whatever reason) and then scroll for what seems like ages in this era of instant gratification. And as I alluded, the problem will only get worse as the "Available Songs" list grows.

Would there be any merit to moving the "Upcoming Songs" section to the top of the article? A more ambitious but consistent change might be to switch the ordering of the entire page (so that newest available songs are located at the top instead of the bottom).

This is obviously not a crucial (or maybe not even a desirable) change, but I felt that it would be an improvement to the current format.

Cheers! 132.236.7.129 (talk) 15:56, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

the table of contents makes the upcoming songs section available in a single click. Not sure if i see the need to move it to the top too. Also the list is sortable by release date so the newest songs can be brought up to the top.harlock_jds (talk) 16:25, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, you have a good point. That should be sufficient, and I just need to take advantage of those tools. 132.236.7.129 (talk) 17:07, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

To add to what harlock said, the primary focus of the article is the list itself, not the upcoming songs. For the user, the primary goal of reading this article is to see what's already there vs. what's coming. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 04:27, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

My only qualm, and this is with any article that does this, is that I have to scroll to get to the table of contents. THe intro section seems to be rather long. Maybe a short intro paragraph and then a section after the Table of Contents with most of the information we have there now? I am not familiar with the normal policies with these things. I too have the loading problem, but there is not much we can do about that. More recent things tend to be on the bottom of articles anyway. Rowdyoctopus (talk) 04:29, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Potential fix, suggestions to speed up pageload

I have made a few edits to try and rearrange stuff to make the ToC easier to find when the page loads. No data was removed, just cut/pasted. If there's any objections feel free to revert or reword. Also, it may be time to try and think of ways to make the page load faster. Would trimming the number of wikilinks be helpful? Currently we wikilink EVERY artist/album title even if it shows up multiple times. I don't know if that would speed up loading. Also, would using templates potentially speed things up? Current there are a TON of "span" tags. Switching to "sort" may help. I'm open to ideas. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 13:23, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I like how it was re-arranged just by taking a quick look. As far as loading, I am not so sure that is a big problem. Maybe we can take a poll, but this page loads just as fast as other wikipedia articles for me. Rowdyoctopus (talk) 01:20, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

I've gotten rid of some of the "span" tags, replacing them with the "sort" template, but there's more to do. I didn't do it for pageload issues -- just because it seems like it was the right thing to use for sorting. travisl (talk) 17:43, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

TBD?

Just reading the definition wikipedia gives for TBD and TBA and I'm 99% sure that the songs with no dates or pack names should be marked as TBA instead of TBD. DJKingpin (talk) 19:34, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

The songs have been announced. The release data has not be determined. --MASEM (t) 19:39, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

That's really splitting hairs though. The release date has more than likely been determined internally at Harmonix, it just hasn't been announced. DJKingpin (talk) 19:41, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

That's splitting hairs in the other direction. "to be declared" is just as valid a definition of "TBD". EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:54, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I know. It's just weird seeing TBD. It's not a commonly used acronym. TBA is used for pretty much everything that is announced but doesn't have a date. Movies, music, video games, they are all labeled TBA until a date is announced. It's just weird to see. DJKingpin (talk) 01:00, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Also, just noticed that Nothing's Shocking is listed as TBA 2009. We at least need some consistency. DJKingpin (talk) 03:09, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree that consistency is more important than the exact term used. I'd be fine switching it up to TBA. EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:20, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Then why did you change it to TBD? lol DJKingpin (talk) 00:10, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Because that's what's currently being used. I ultimately don't care either way, but since TBD seems to be the standard, that's what I changed it to. EVula // talk // ☯ // 02:18, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Styx songs are Re-Records

In the official annoucement it says so. --68.227.251.3 (talk) 18:05, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Bands re-recording their own works as new masters are still masters, not covers. --MASEM (t) 18:10, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Well shouldn't they be marked as "Songs were re-recorded for use in the game" Estemshorn (talk) 20:01, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Why? --MPD ^{T / C} 07:26, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

We ended up dropping that footnote since it was turning into a original research problem. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 14:38, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh, i see. On the official announcement it says they are "recent" re-records, not that they were re-recorded for the game. Estemshorn (talk) 18:26, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Potential problem

With the up-coming Rock Band Beatles game and the recently announced LEGO Rock Band game http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2301848#post2301848 The Rock Band franchise is growing. Assuming these games are not compatible with current DLC offerings, does the name of this article (List of downloadable songs for the Rock Band series) still apply? It probably would, but what if the Beatles game has its own DLC (it is heavily rumored)? Or the LEGO game having its own DLC? Obviously there are no details for this at this time, but my intention was to make editors aware of potential changes in the future. Rowdyoctopus (talk) 22:00, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Best to wait and see. If, say, TB:RB has DLC that works in both games, but other existing DLC doesn't work in TB:RB, this page is still valid, we just have to spell it out and likely have a special section for TB:RB songs. --MASEM (t) 23:11, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the "wait and see" approach. There's very little evidence about what will and will not be supported by the games (Lego Rock Band was announced all of 3 days ago), so there's no point trying to second-guess what we should or shouldn't do. EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:59, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

I realized that as I was writing this here. I tend to do that. I think of something that could be a problem for an article, and then want to run to the talk page before we have enough information to even do anything about it. Oh well, we will just have to wait and see. Rowdyoctopus (talk) 02:05, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Wait and see if the best method. But if Beetles and LEGO dont use the main DLC, I see no reason to change this listing. For example, Rock Band AC/DC does not support DLC, yet is a standalone game. I think the best way to address this is that this aricle represents the main of the Rock Band Franchise. Meaing there will one day be a RB3/4/5 etc...... Spin-offs like AC/DC, the Beetles, and LEGO will continue to occur. And in those instances should be handled on a case by case basis. For example, AC/DC can not handle DLC, however, with a code the tracks can be downloaded to rockband or rb2 (you dont actually rip the songs from the disc, you download them from the server), you do need to purchase the game new or used from someone who didnt use their code. Most likely, the Beetles wont allow this, but will be able to handle special DLC, however it is speculated that this special DLC would also be available for RB and RB2. Again though, would have to wait and see.Xcalibur27 (talk) 15:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Possible solution to shrink article size

How about we split the table into articles that are divided by the year of release. Have a page that has 07-08 DLC and a page with the 09 and upcoming DLC tables.MiTfan3 (talk) 18:32, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

It would be somewhat inaccurate for Wii users. --MASEM (t) 18:35, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

How so? Simply note that Wii songs are still being released and have the same check mark system. MiTfan3 (talk) 18:40, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, we sort by when the songs were first released, rather than by when they were released for each platform. EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:48, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

two things

is it posible to use a colspan so instead of repeating the band name 10 times during an album it only says it once and also condece the exported setlist so all track packs that support the swithch are listed under one bullet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Linkfreak16 (talk • contribs) 19:03, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

It would screw up the sorting issues in the table. --MASEM (t) 19:41, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Rolling Stone article

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/16721140/rock_band_vs_guitar_hero new gd and who possibly? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.51.36 (talk) 00:53, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

That story is from 2007. --Maxamegalon2000 00:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

we still only have 13 gd songs total and about 4 songs from whos next —Preceding unsigned comment added by Linkfreak16 (talk • contribs) 18:28, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

There's not enough info to go with in this article anymore, especially with how old it is. Just putting "The rest of Who's Next" and "6 more Grateful Dead songs" isn't strong enough. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 18:11, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Plus, Harmonix announced that the Who's Next album masters were lost and the Best of The Who replaced that. DJKingpin (talk) 19:27, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Is there a site to see the RB1 0-9 scale tiers for DLC?

I was just wondering, and it would be nice if there was one, thanks.--RockBandRocks (talk) 17:44, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the RB2 20 Pack

I'm starting to think it's not accurate to put the 20 free songs in the table as they are. The description is that the table is when the songs first became available via the music store. They still are not in the 360/PS3 store, and were only released for the Wii a short time ago.

My proposed change would be to move them to when they became available on the Wii, and modify the footnote so that it's more clear that these are actually only available as promotional content for 360 and PS3 owners at this time. It would line up with the HMX Pack (which is listed by the date it was added to the store), and the Pearl Jam 3-pack, which is only listed as a promo.

I will make this change, and if there's any major disagreement I will gladly accept a revert and discussion here. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 17:40, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Sort order of artists' names

Back in January, TRTX reverted my change of artist sort order. I'd previously changed it so that individual artists names were sorted by last name (e.g., changing from David Bowie to {{sort|Bowie, David|David Bowie}}). I'd asked in archive 1 why he changed it, but never got a response.

Today, I made a similar sorting change, and he reverted it, with the comment "Songs are sorted as presented in game." I appreciate the hard work TRTX continues to put into this page, and can understand the desire to make this page a near duplicate of HMX's http://www.rockband.com/music/songs/ , but I don't see the benefit in duplicating clear errors in their sorting methodology. If you look in any library, any record store, and any book index, you'll almost always find authors, artists, and other named individuals sorted by last name. The Wikipedia:Categorization of people guideline supports this. Is the desire for duplicating Harmonix's table so strong that it overrides this guideline and convention? travisl (talk) 20:59, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Similarly, shouldn't song titles that start with "The" and "A" be sorted by excluding the article, e.g., {{sort|Joker, The|The Joker}})? Even if it is the case that Harmonix's page doesn't sort it that way? travisl (talk) 22:20, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

This makes sense to me and would make it easier to find things as that is how most of mankind sorts things. Chris1834 (talk) 23:09, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

After five days and hearing no objection, including none from TRTX, I've been bold and made the change to song titles. There's a bug in the sort template that's adding something that looks like a space between the opening quotation mark and the song title (e.g., " The Conjurer"), but the space is really the space between one closing span tag and the next opening span tag. It's there, I think, to prevent negative numbers from being interpreted as a table element. See [2] travisl (talk) 22:43, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I didn't include an objection because I've already voiced my objection numerous times, including the first two reversions. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 01:38, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

• Note: this is what I'm referring to. The goals of these articles is to present the information as it appears in-game. This is why alternate title formats, artist names, and other assorted information that is often protested (Genre/Decade for example) is presented as is. This includes the sorting of the content. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 01:42, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm aware, as I said, that one desire may be to make this page a near duplicate of this. I agree that for columns such as "genre" and "decade" should stick with the Official List. In fact, I'd agree with this for all substantive content-related questions -- the Official List is the authoritative source.

But really, for procedural purposes, are you truly saying that the songs should sort in the same badly designed method that the Official List uses? Specifically, are you forwarding the argument that the following is an example of the best way to sort these songs in this article?

• "…And Justice for All"
• "3 Dimes Down"
• "A Clean Shot"
• "Action"
• "B.Y.O.B."
• "Baba O'Riley"
• "Crushcrushcrush"
• "D.O.A."
• "Dammit"
• "DOA"
• "Joker & the Thief"
• "Kiss Them for Me"
• "The Joker"
• "The Kill"

I'm bewildered that "D.O.A." and "DOA" don't sort together on the Official List, and would be even more bewildered if consensus was to make the same mistake here. travisl (talk) 05:54, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I think I have to agree with Travis on this. Yes, it is true that our primary source of information and so if there is contention regarding spelling, years, etc we default to what is presented in game and on Harmonix's website. But this is still an encyclopedia article and the way we sort should be based on common sense IMO. Oren0 (talk) 07:05, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Considering how many random edits we get in a week from people adjusting the artist names, song names, genres, decades, etc...I can't imagine the headache that will come when people start having trouble finding songs in the list. For example "666" sorting as "Six Six Six", or "30 Seconds to Mars" sorting as "Thirty Seconds to Mars". I think it's going to lead to a LOT of confusion when people start seeing "missing" songs. I could see "A" and "The" like we already do, but I think doing Last, First and alphabetic sorting of numerics is going a bit far in this article. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 13:25, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I guess I can see numerals sorting first, as there are some indexes that have symbols and numbers come before the first "A" entry. I'll concede that point. I'll also update the page so that the articles "a" and "the" don't affect sorting. For sorting of artists names, however, we're still in disagreement, and I think we're at an impasse. I understand your desire to keep it sorted like the Official List. I believe you also understand my desire to sort it like most record stores and in a manner analogous to Wikipedia:Categorization of people. We simply disagree here, and thus to find a consensus, we need more people to chime in with their thoughts (BTW: thanks for your input, Chris 1834 and OrenO).

One factor you didn't address is punctuation within a title. Should "D.O.A." and "DOA" sort so far apart? Should "B.Y.O.B." appear at the start of the B's instead of near the end? travisl (talk) 17:38, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

The list is getting REALLY long now...

I think we need to do something about it. Proposals? I think we should make the list collapsable by month. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SyogunAW (talk • contribs) 00:53, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

The difficulty with abbreivating the list is it removes the sortability, which is a significant piece of the table. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 04:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I still don't understand why it isn't fine the way it is. Yes, it's long, but it's complete and together, which is much more important in an encyclopedia than length. --Teancum (talk) 09:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Split the list into two articles, one with the releases of 07-08 and one with the releases on 09 and the upcoming releases. And saying that could make it confusing for the songs on Wii is just dumb because you could still use the exact same method we're using now. MiTfan3 (talk) 19:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

If you look at Wikipedia's guidelines on article length, you'll see that it's OK for lists to be long, as long as they are well organized and there is a reason for them to be listed on one page (ie. this page's need for sortability by song title, band, etc.). So I don't see any need to split it. It's not like browsers nowadays can't handle 100KB worth of text. - Runch (talk) 14:07, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I think it is OK as is. I know its long but i have seen all the options posted here for splitting it up and I am not a big fan of any of them. Chrislk02 ^{Chris Kreider} 14:55, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Pearl Jam Rock Band Project

http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139766 should this be added to promotions? --Estemshorn (talk) 20:05, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Until we know if its DLC, a track pack, or a separate game, not much beyond what I've already did, place mention of it on the main series page. --MASEM (t) 20:13, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

"Kids Don't Follow" delayed

I've added the reference directly to the table for the time being. This is so that the original announcement is basically "overruled" and clearly spelled out in the article. This can probably be moved to the normal spot once this week's content is out. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 02:03, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

New DLC Announcement today in Rock Band Zine

From the latest issue of the Rock Band Zine (just received via e-mail about 3 minutes ago!):

ROCK BAND Community Zine Issue #13

"Well we got no class... and we got no principals... and we got no innocence..." but we DO have Alice Cooper DLC coming out next week! This announcement is exclusive to the Community Zine! Check out the track listing for this six song pack, including some epic live recordings:

BILLION DOLLAR BABIES (Live), I'M EIGHTEEN (Live), POISON, SCHOOL'S OUT (Live), UNDER MY WHEELS (Live), VENGEANCE IS MINE

What better time to break out your top hat, boa constrictor and guillotine for a truly shocking Rock Band party!

And if that's not enough DLC to wet your whistle, how about three Taking Back Sunday tracks from their 2006 album Louder Now?

LIAR (IT TAKES ONE TO KNOW ONE), MAKEDAMNSURE, WHAT'S IT FEEL LIKE TO BE A GHOST?

Next week also marks the release of the Rock Band Track Pack: Classic Rock disc, so there's plenty of new stuff for everyone to choose from. Be sure to check out the Announcements forum over at RockBand.com for more details. Rock on!

--Myserie (talk) 19:30, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I just received this email as well. Makes for a good week of DLC. If I knew how, I would add it to the page but I lack that skill. DJKingpin (talk) 19:53, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

It's added, just no song links (feel free to add). --MASEM (t) 20:02, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I see the tracks have been added, but there is a typo. "Vengeance Is Mind" should be "Vengeance Is Mine". I would fix it but am unable to edit. You also have the track pack name and release dates in the wrong columns. ;) --Myserie (talk) 20:18, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Leaked songs to watch for inclusion

We cannot use this ref so watch out for including of any Green Day songs that people may try to sneak in. --MASEM (t) 03:56, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

TBD date annouced for the Country pack

I noticed the date for the country pack songs still says TBD but the release date has been posted on RockBand.com as July 21, 2009 just thought I'd post a comment so this can be changed. Here's a link to the annoucement to verify: http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139957 Melrose44 (talk) 22:16, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

That's for the Country Track Pack disc that they are releasing. The TBD is for when those songs are released as DLC. DJKingpin (talk) 23:15, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Cranberries "Linger"

Look I know I am nit picking a bit but most of the famous cranberries stuff was from early to mid 90's. It's listed on the wiki as being in the 2000's which is about 10 years shy of when Linger was released :) Just figured I'd point that out, if in fact anyone cares because let's face it's not that big a deal but it is an accuracy issue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.165.57.194 (talk) 17:30, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

My only thought is that Harmonix uses a remastered version from The Cranberries' 2002 greatest hits album, Stars: The Best of 1992–2002 --Teancum (talk) 19:19, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

That is a mistake. HMX lists it as being released in 1993 (supposedly the version from the original album. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 02:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Wii Availability?

Are you sure about the titles available for Wii? I have a Wii connected to the internet and the store doesn't show anything more recent than the Social Distortion. CheddarBBQ (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:08, 1 June 2009 (UTC).

Also, even the Rock Band website (the sited source) doesn't show Taking Back Sunday or Alice Cooper being available for Wii. CheddarBBQ (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC). ~~

The list of downloadable songs for wii is NOT accurate. there are actually many songs listed as available here that in fact are not; this has been verified by myself and several Bandmates. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maserator (talk • contribs) 00:27, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

All the Wii RB updates today list Alice Cooper, Taking Back Sunday, and a bunch of misc. See [3] here for example. --MASEM (t) 00:39, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

All I know is that none of those are yet available for Wii. Even a few listed on the Rock Band sight (Cranberries, Ministry, Zombies) are not available. CheddarBBQ (talk) 03:00, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

They will be tomorrow. As per announcement. Since that column is the only one we have available for noting Wii releases, we typically update it the day the Wii tracks are announced (Since it's the day before). If they start updating further ahead we will obviously need another solution. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 06:26, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay. And is this for both Rock Band games? (1 & 2) How do you tell the difference, and are there any that are for both? CheddarBBQ (talk) 22:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

The Wii version of Rock Band does not support DLC (as noted in the article). Songs for the Wii are currently only available for Rock Band 2. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 13:49, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

"The" less sorting of songs...

I've already spotted and fixed a few inconsistencies within the article, but I have to admit I'm still not a fan of those. Especially when the one or two users who were really adamant about altering the sort method didn't bother to see it through in other articles for the same game. So now we have an inconsistency within the Rock Band series of articles.

Furthermore, I have yet to see any similiar recommendation within the Guitar Hero series of articles...which have been around for much longer than anything related to Rock Band. And since those lists have reached Featured status I again question the legitimacy of the sorting request.

With this in mind, I am reverting the "The"less sorting on song titles from this article. The consensus on this page seemed pretty weak to begin with, and nothing has come of it in other similiar articles, which leads me to the conclusion that the consensus was never firmly established. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 15:24, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Rock Band Unplugged

With Rock band Unplugged soon to be released (a few days from the time of this edit), and DLC to be released for that game as well, what changes will need to be made to this article? As Unplugged is a part of the Rock Band series, but does not share the same DLC lineup (presumably, seeing as the charting for the songs are different for the PSP as opposed to the consoles), I see it as having two options. One, the same route as is currently used to signify the DLC that's available for the Wii, in an additional column on the list. (the downside to this being, release dates will need to be listed separately.) The other option, that I can see at least, would be to create a second article for the Unplugged DLC, with a link to it at the top of this article.

Of course, there's time on this; we don't know how much DLC will be released on Unplugged, or when it will start (although it's supposedly planned to have releases of DLC every few weeks, much like the console versions). I'd personally like to help out on this part, but being a bit of a Wikipedia newbie (although not a Wiki newbie), I've not much idea where to start, nor what would be the better option for listing the content. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 13:01, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Because the content for Unplugged (in terms of files, not so much songs) is not cross-platform, we will likely have a separate page that combines the on-disc setlist and the DLC lists (I doubt RBU will end up with 600+ songs), and the current list for the console versions will remain untouched. --MASEM (t) 13:33, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I second that idea. No need to put it here since it's PSP-only. --Teancum (talk) 15:58, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, a second page would be a better way of documenting the DLC. EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:11, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

1 & 2

Is this for both Rock Band 1 & 2? And if so, how do you tell the difference between which is on which game? CheddarBBQ (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC).

All songs work in both games. --MASEM (t) 20:07, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Also, it appears that older songs that had been available for XBOX and PS3 only are now becoming available for Wii (Foreigner's Jukebox Hero, etc.) Are there plans to do this with more songs that are currently only Xbox and Ps3? CheddarBBQ (talk) 20:08, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

HMX has stated (it should be in the article) that they plan to bring all existing DLC content to Wii, and then from there, it will be simultaneous release with all 3 platforms. --MASEM (t) 20:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Really? I must've missed that. That's good news. What was the source for it? CheddarBBQ (talk) 20:15, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Look at the 2nd paragraph in the lead of the article. --MASEM (t) 20:26, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Should there maybe be a way to see when things come out for the Wii, like a Wii-Release column or something? I'm not exactly sure how one would go about making that, but it's a possibility. CheddarBBQ (talk) 23:01, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

There is. It's got big green checkboxes if it's out for Wii. No offense, but 30 seconds looking at the article would've told you that. --Teancum (talk) 23:31, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I know that already. I mean, a way to see when things are made available on the Wii, like a separate release date column or something along those lines. Right now, the only way to know if one has recently been updated for Wii is to scroll down, make a note of which ones are checked and which aren't, and then check back to see if any of them now have a checkmark. I just think it would be easier to have something where you click and it shows the most recent or least recent for Wii, like it does with the regular dates. At least temporarily, until the Wii catches up. CheddarBBQ (talk) 23:47, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

It's temporary information - once all the tracks for the Wii are released, that information will no longer be relevant. --MASEM (t) 23:56, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

This article only tracks the point in which the song first became available for the game, regardless of which console it was on. Otherwise we'd need a PS3 date too. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 01:50, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

One idea I had, could we put something in the "Available for Wii" box when the song has been announced for the following week? Like a blue dot or something? I dunno. I don't have any use for the Wii list anyway, but it might be a temporary fix for a temporary problem. DJKingpin (talk) 02:50, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

We're talking about a list of downloadable songs, not turning the template into some sort of news source. Outside of documenting when songs were first released (regardless of platform), I don't think we need to do anything. EVula // talk // ☯ // 03:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. The Rock Band site/forums is the news source, if anyone feels it's necessary to follow any/all news they can subscribe to the Announcements forum and the Rock Band e-magazine. --Teancum (talk) 11:58, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Could we get a redirect?

Usually how I get to this page is by searching for "downloadable rock band songs", but that always results in the search engine popping up with this one as the first link. Could someone with access (I'm not autoconfirmed) add "Downloadable Rock Band songs" as a redirect? If not, could you tell me if there's a convenient redirect I could use? :)

Thanks. Supershippy (talk) 22:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Done --Teancum (talk) 22:49, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Just FYI, when I'm not logged in I type in "rock band dlc" and it redirects here. DJKingpin (talk) 23:58, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Green Day heads up

Another heads up. This time regarding Green Day: confirmation?. No specific songs mentioned, but just look out for potential attempts to add anything from that list leaked earlier. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 17:11, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

No need to add that they're going to have DLC coming, otherwise, we'd have to add Snoop Dogg is coming too. Regarding the leaked list, shouldn't add that until there's at least some confirmation. ROMaster2 (talk) 20:42, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I think he just meant it as a warning to be on the look out for news about Green Day. CheddarBBQ (talk) 22:23, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Pearl Jam should be added as upcoming DLC

Harmonix, Pearl Jam, and Best Buy have all said that the 3 songs would be in the music store eventually so would someone please add "Alive (Live: Drop In the Park)", "Brother", and "State of Love & Trust (Live: Drop In the Park)" to the upcoming DLC?

Here's proof...

www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3i2e2fd2bc31136679dd8e28e36ed38105 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.36.21.8 (talk) 05:16, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Article says "All three will also be available for purchase from the "Rock Band" downloadable store, along with the entire "Ten" album in March." It is now May. The source is mistaken. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 13:29, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Psst! Check your sig. It's June, not May. :P EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:16, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

My point remains valid. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 17:21, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

thenewno2's You Are Here album will be DLC

Dhani Harrison said that You Are Here will be released as full album DLC.

www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111272 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.36.21.8 (talk) 05:24, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

The thread provides no link to the source. And it was back in January. If a credibile source is found other than somebody on a forum saying they saw it, then it is maybe a candidate. But I think this conversation has come up in the past. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 13:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Iron Maiden?

In the upcoming songs section, "Run to the Hills" and "The Number of the Beast" are listed? In the former, the song already appears on Rock Band and with regards to the latter, it was already released as DLC in I believe 8 January 2008 according to our list, so is that an error? Why release the same song twice? Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 02:37, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

In both cases, the songs were covers; this is now master recordings of both songs. --MASEM (t) 02:52, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Yes, I just thought of that a second ago. Of course, I still wish they had "Alexander the Great"... Best, --A Nobody^{My talk} 02:54, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Should it be listed next to "Run to the Hills" and "Number of the Beast" as "(Original Version) as done with a few of the Rush songs?

71.235.9.253 (talk)Riffrider —Preceding undated comment added 01:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC).

We cannot be sure if this would be the actual title of the song, we follow exactly what Rock Band states. So far, the songs are followed exactly according to the newsletter. We'll wait until this Friday how Harmonix would actually pronounce the songs.--F-22 Raptor ^IV 01:22, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Is it just Iron Maiden songs released on DLC this week? Can't check as always at work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.189.169.182 (talk) 13:35, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Well it was supposed to be released this week, but I checked Tuesday and yesterday but still no Maiden in the DLC. 151.166.15.115 (talk) 13:58, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Maiden has become available for Wii now, but I don't know about 360 and PS3. PS3 wasn't supposed to come out until today. CheddarBBQ (talk) 18:15, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Definitely out on the 360. --MASEM (t) 18:58, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Abbey Road

The album Abbey Road has been announced to be released for DLC It has no mention of being exclusive to The Beatles Rock Band and the fact that "All You Need Is Love" has been stated as a Beatles only song suggests that the lack of this sentence after the Abbey Road announcement shows Abbey Road will be available for RB and RB2 players Available at: http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143351 Information in 2nd and 6th paragraphs FSM (talk) 12:14, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Everything said about the songs in the TB:RB make it sound like the game's songs cannot be played in RB or vice versa. Until there's confirmation that this is wrong, it is not appropriate to include them here. --MASEM (t) 12:44, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

They have actually confirmed that no DLC will work on the opposite game. Beatles DLC will only work in the Beatles game. DJKingpin (talk) 00:45, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Can you provide a citation for this confirmation? If you cannot, then this issue is still up in the air, and the respective comment stating their incompatibility should be removed from the Exported Setlists section.24.58.22.254 (talk) 03:37, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Heads up on Billy Idol

Fourth/Fifth from the bottom on Pepsi's contest page. "Mony Mony" and "Rebel Yell" are included. Those who have read the full list confirm these are the only two "new" songs listed on the page. What's the consensus on these? I lean towards inclusion since Pepsi gets it's info for the contest straight from HMX... -- TRTX ^{T / C} 14:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm not against including them. Clearly they're special as it only lists the PS3 as an available platform, so something's up. I say include it as TBD. --Teancum (talk) 15:29, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

It must be gone because I don't see it on the Pepsi page anymore --76.254.37.22 (talk) 03:09, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

It was likely removed from the Pepsi page because it was a mistake in the first place. I assume Pepsi was supposed to add those to the list once Harmonix officially confirmed them, but they screwed up and added them early. I say we put it back. Zeldafanjtl (talk) 21:20, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I also agree it should be placed back up. There was a reason it was placed in the first place - this situation is reminiscent of the Pick Up The Pieces leak although not in the same vein. There is no reason for Pepsi to put up songs that did not have actual placement in the Rock Band game series. Citybug (talk) 13:07, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

We can't put it back. If it's not on the website we don't have any references to use, so there's no way to verify that it was ever there. --Teancum (talk) 14:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Colbert?

Who said Colbert is available for Wii? Shouldn't the things be changed when they become true? Currently, it's not available for download on Wii. If it's reported that it's going to be, put that. --CheddarBBQ (talk) 22:25, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

See [4]. --MASEM (t) 22:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

And the fact that it's a one-day delay between the time the Wii stuff is announced and it appears in the store is not really cause to not post the new Wii songs when they're known. --MASEM (t) 22:28, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

So if they will all be released tomorrow, why not mark all of them? --CheddarBBQ (talk) 22:40, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

All the ones that will be released tomorrow that are in the table (eg not the Iron Maiden ones) are marked as of my edit earlier today). --MASEM (t) 22:41, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

So all of the tracks will in fact be released tomorrow? --CheddarBBQ (talk) 22:51, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Listed in that article, yes. --MASEM (t) 22:54, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I find it very annoying that the songs for Wii don't ACTUALLY come out when they are supposed to. That's not the fault of anyone here, that's the fault of Harmonix. I'm probably not the only Wii owner pained to have to wit until the 11th to buy a song that comes out the 9th. The agony. CheddarBBQ (talk) 21:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

It's Nintendo not Harmonix. DJKingpin (talk) 00:42, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

The point remains. And the Clobert song has yet to become available, though though the rest of the listed items have. CheddarBBQ (talk) 18:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Green Day

Just announced on the official forums. 21 Guns, Know Your Enemy, East Jesus Nowhere. All coming on July 7th. Can't get the link because I'm at work but I got the tweet on my phone.DJKingpin (talk) 19:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, here is the official link: http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145468 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Estemshorn (talk • contribs) 19:32, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

next week DLC heads up

It's not yet updated in the forums but this source [5] have the following songs for next week:

• Spinal Tap “Back from the Dead”
• Spinal Tap “Rock ‘n’ Roll Nightmare”
• Spinal Tap “Saucy Jack”
• Spinal Tap “Warmer Than Hell”

(The OP there is a guy that freelances for major publications, so I don't doubt the information, but would like a better source). --MASEM (t) 14:23, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Colbert again

It's been a week since it was marked to be available for Wii, and it still isn't actually available. Should I uncheck it? CheddarBBQ (talk) 20:46, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

It's in the presser... -- TRTX ^{T / C} 20:49, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Do not add Genre/Decade info without HMX source.

Recently there's been a few users who update the Genre/Decade info based on Wikipedia or what they say "Everybody knows". Well, consulting the No Doubt tracks, it's obvious that HMX doesn't always use the same information that's considered globally accepted. So please do not add this info until HMX's sources are available. OR until the information is available through the in-game store. Thank you. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 23:56, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

On the Rock Band website, it says the Evanescence tracks came out in 2004 and 2006. It also says the Spinal Tap tracks are from a new album, meaning that they also came out in the 2000s. The Rock Band website is already listed as a source. Here is the specific link. CheddarBBQ (talk) 02:02, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Can I change it back now? CheddarBBQ (talk) 15:53, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, since you have an Official HMX source. ESTEMSHORN^talk_Sign 17:00, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Exclusive Pearl Jam tracks

According to this news post on rockband.com, the 3 promotion-exclusive Pearl Jam songs are being released on the Wii Music Store this Tuesday. Groudon199 (talk) 15:19, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Added and tagged. We'll have to see if these end up coming to the other two stores as well. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 16:17, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Metal Track Pack songs

Can someone add the four unreleased songs that were announced for the Metal Track Pack to the upcoming songs list? 24.79.137.132 (talk) 21:55, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Two problems: first, the metal songs are only confirmed by a leaked achievement list - not really strong candidates for inclusion yet, though it's probably not wrong. Second, unlike the Country pack where we know that exclusive songs to that pack will make it to RB, we don't have confirmation of this yet here, so for the time being, we can't touch anything. --MASEM (t) 22:06, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

K, makes sense. 24.79.137.132 (talk) 08:24, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Why isn't this page getting archived?

It is starting to get very long. It says it does it after 14 days, but their are still topics from 2 months ago. Is their a way to fix it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.208.63.195 (talk) 02:06, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

It's because IP posters, and newer users often try and use this as a forum, which can lead to comments and discussions getting "bumped" by somebody who didn't know how to open a new section. Other times I think it's related to users forgetting to sign comments, and then the MisaBot not being able to properly scan SineBot'd posts for archival. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 07:25, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I have reverted this edit which was made 3 days after the latest MiszaBot archiving. Maybe this fixes it. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:35, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

It worked. MiszaBot is now archiving.[6] PrimeHunter (talk) 12:45, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Spinal Tap

I saw a commercial for the Spinal Tap pack which stated it was available for Wii. Be on the lookout for this update, and probably for Evanescence too, since that pack came out with the ST. CheddarBBQ (talk) 16:09, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Added In Thrice and Devil Wears Prada

Both those bands are listed as being part of the Warped Tour DLC so it's safe to assume that they'll be coming out next week in the VWT2 pack. So I added them under upcoming DLC.--Unknownsage13 (talk) 17:09, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

We've got the pack in the Packs section, if that includes these artists...we'll see on Friday. But I think we're jumping to assumptions by saying that TDWP and Thrice will for sure be in it. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 18:57, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Well there's only two packs annouced. Also TDWP and Thrice were annouced to be in the VWT DLC. So naturally they're in the new pack.--Unknownsage13 (talk) 05:05, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Tier Column?

For the sake of completeness, how about adding a "Tier" (difficulty rating, like Warm-up, Apprentice, etc.) column? --Amos 75.50.53.210 (talk) 00:29, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I believe this has been discussed before. It was decided against just because the tiering for songs in Rock Band 1 is different than in Rock Band 2. Besides that, how far should this go? Should we have 5 more columns so that we can have Band/Guitar/Bass/Vocals/Drums tiers? We have to stop somewhere. DJKingpin (talk) 00:51, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

It got a point where there was too much information to track. And a consensus was reached that there was more important information (genre/decade) that would benefit more than just RB players. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 04:40, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Can somebody add in this weeks DLC?

http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149485

I don't know how. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guns2006 (talk • contribs) 14:40, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Songs without wiki pages -> link to albums?

For the songs listed on this page that have no wiki pages of their own, could we instead link to the album page for the song? This would be useful for people who want more information on the song... currently they have to click the Band link, go to Discopgraphy, then check each album one-by-one. Tzepish (talk) 19:18, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

The problem is, then the links would be rather misleading for those expecting information on the song, and not the entire album.--F-22 Raptor ^IV 19:34, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Or more specifically, 99% of the time, a song lacking its own page will only be listed in the album's discography and really gives no new information. Now, if there is actually a section about the song on the album's page (kept there due to lack of notability), I see no problems linking to that section on the album's page, but this seems to be a rarity. --MASEM (t) 19:47, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I have to agree with F-22. Since Rock Band DLC can include both singles and full albums, we have to be careful what we link to. If somebody clicks a song title and sees a full album, it could mislead the reader to think that the downloadable item is a full album instead of a single song. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 22:48, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that's much of a worry; if they get that confused, they're likely confused by a lot worse than a song name going to an album that the song is on. EVula // talk // ☯ // 04:16, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Wii has additional releases this week

Early reports on the RB forums are that the Wii was updated with more than the announced tracks. I'm waiting for some confirmation, though it may only be in the form of visual confirmation from a Wii owner. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 15:59, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Does this help at all? [7] If not, sorry for wasting your time FSM (talk) 06:38, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

I've only seen the announced tracks so far. CheddarBBQ (talk) 13:31, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Here's a post from HMX Sean that seems list out the extra tracks: [8] --MASEM (t) 16:08, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Nazereth

they have a metal track pack coming to rock bond (says the wikiarticle) and one of the songs is heir of the dog by nazereth. This means that it is coming for dlc for rock band, that shoud be included in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.248.20.138 (talk) 17:50, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Right now we only know the game is coming. The leaked songs are from a supposedly leaked achievement list. Definitely not concrete enough to add information to the article. DJKingpin (talk) 19:26, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

We know the Metal Track Pack is coming, but there's no official confirmation that the songs will be carried over to DLC as they will be with the country pack. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 00:35, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Expect More Greenday

No one else had mentioned it here, so i thought i should just to give you guys the heads up. In the article [9] it has the following quote.

"The Green Day tracks available next week are the first in an exclusive partnership between MTV Games’ Harmonix and Warner Music Group’s Green Day to bring the band’s songs to the Rock Band platform as downloadable content."

Hope thats some help FSM (talk) 06:27, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Until we know what those tracks will be, there's nothing to say. EVula // talk // ☯ // 17:56, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

@TRTX

Those songs aren't on the Wii yet, but they were all confirmed for release next week in the most recent Announcement Thread. DJKingpin (talk) 23:21, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Ah. Thanks. I checked the thread this morning and that wasn't there at that time. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 23:53, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

The Iron Madien Songs Should say "Flight 666 Rock Band Edition"

Not "Iron Madien 01". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.26.38.120 (talk) 21:45, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, they are considered part of the Flight 666 Rock Band album in the game, but when you download them, it is Iron Maiden 01. DJKingpin (talk) 03:45, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Mobile Version

The mobile version of this page needs to have a "Show" button for the Upcoming Songs list (break the upcoming songs list out to a new section away from the available songs list). This will allow users to click the "Show" button to see Upcoming Songs only and not have to wait for the 500+ song list to load and then spend 30 seconds scrolling past them to get to the bottom to see the upcoming songs. Liljerk (talk) 07:14, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Pepsi's Rock Band Promotion

Pepsi is currently running a promotion in which codes under "specially-marked" caps can be entered online for free downloadable Rock Band songs. Not all the songs are available through this promotion, but a good couple hundred are. Should these songs be labeled or marked on this list in some way? --Piroteknix (talk) 05:24, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

No; it's only a temporary situation, and that information can be found on the promotion website. --MASEM (t) 05:27, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, could it be included in the "Promotions" section of the article? Because that section lists of a lot of "temporary situations." Just a little snip, like "Between dates X and Y, Pepsi held a promotion which offered free downloadable Rock Band songs to consumers who entered codes under specially-marked caps online. Z songs were available for download at no cost." And possibly provide a link to the list of songs or the website? --Piroteknix (talk) 18:49, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I'd actually be okay with removing the Promotions section entirely, or spinning it out to the game's article. This article is a list of songs, and I don't think we need to document every little thing (here) that is peripherally related. EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:15, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I actually wouldn't be opposed to having Promotions brought over to the main article. I just want it to be somewhere, it's really good information. In fact, I wanted the Pepsi thing mentioned because it's a really cool promotion. I won six songs from six caps and I drink Pepsi anyway, so it saved me a little money. --Piroteknix (talk) 19:49, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

The Promotions section exists to document a bit more detailed song distribution information that wouldn't be reasonable in a footnote. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 20:54, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

The conversation here in the talk page didn't go anywhere, so I decided to Be Bold and just threw a paragraph about Pepsi into the Promotions section. --Piroteknix (talk) 22:52, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean "didn't go anywhere". Do you mean "didn't go where you wanted"? I've reverted the change, as this promotion doesn't introduce any previously unreleased content. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 14:26, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I think he meant nothing happened as a result of the conversation. And a lot of the promotions listed didn't offer new content, such as "Harmonix began distributing 20 free downloadable songs to owners of Rock Band 2." That's a case very similar to this, and it's the 4th promotion listed. CheddarBBQ (talk) 15:00, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

The 20 free songs are a promotional item tied to the purchase of a new copy of Rock Band 2. The content was later released to the Wii Music Store, but to date has not been offered to 360/PS3 owners in any other fashion. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 15:27, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Promo section added under "Cultural Impact" of the main Rock Band series article, noting that DLC is given as part of promotions. --MASEM (t) 15:13, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

←I mean the discussion didn't go anywhere at all. You took my edit out just because "this promotion doesn't introduce any previously unreleased content". Since when does a promotion (and you don't deny that this is, indeed, a promotion. You said it yourself) need to introduce new content to be listed under "Promotions?" The introduction to "Promotions" says "Following the release of Rock Band, Harmonix and EA began to form partnerships with different companies and bands to provide promotional content." I think that includes partnering up with Pepsi in a promotion to provide free songs. Being a promotion (by definition), it deserves to be listed under Promotions. --Piroteknix (talk) 04:45, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

This is not promotional content. This is a code to allow you to download the song through the normal XBL/PSN. Heck, Wii users don't even get a song, they get Wii points to buy whatever they want. If you take a look at the Promotions section, each of those is a pack of songs made available through means OTHER THAN the standard Music Store or Online Shop. Be it a disc at retail (OXM), a pack in with a CD (Disturbed, Pearl Jam), or a sticker on a DVD case (Spectacular!). What's NOT included are promotions where you simply get MS/PSN codes to go to the online store and buy the song (Stride Promo, Star Trek Promo). -- TRTX ^{T / C} 13:51, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

More specifically, this article is about the songs made as DLC. The promotions section is to discussion songs that are available exclusively (time-limited or not) through promotions that add to the DLC content. Actual promotions that tie in with RB regardless if they add new songs or not should be more focused on the actual series than the song list. --MASEM (t) 14:05, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I was a little confused. I thought this article listed all ways users could get DLC, and that Pepsi's thing was unique, the first of its kind. Turns out Energizer has a similar promotion but that isn't mentioned either. I'm glad the Pepsi stuff got a mention in the main RB article, though. I just didn't want RBDLC fans (like me) to miss out on this. I've won 25 songs and counting just this month, but didn't even know about the promotion until a few weeks in. --Piroteknix (talk) 02:44, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

But just for your information, TRTX, I own a PS3 the Pepsi thing just gives me a code to download a song from the XMB, not through the "Music Store or Online Shop," that I'm aware of. The Spectacular promotion mentions "receiving promotional codes which could be redeemed to download the songs," which sounds like the exact situation with Pepsi. Again, just FYI. --Piroteknix (talk) 02:53, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Kings of Leon DLC

The one Kings of Leon song should be "Molly's Chambers" and not "Molly's Christmas"

Changing now. My bad. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 15:18, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

RB to begin supporting uploaded songs

Here. This is definately going to require inclusion in the "Series" article, and I'm thinking we should begin discussions NOW on how to begin addressing this type of content in list form. Honestly, my proposal is an entirely seperate article along the lines of "List of user-created content for the Rock Band series" (perhaps including an official name if HMX gives it one). -- TRTX ^{T / C} 15:21, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

More info (from official HMX sources) here. Recommending split to "List of downloadable songs for the Rock Band Music Store" and "List of downloadable songs for the Rock Band Network" (when the time comes). -- TRTX ^{T / C} 15:31, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, it'll have be be a new, seperate article because the Rock Band DLC is growing every week and this would make it much, much longer. UltimateSin01 (talk) 16:20, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

My suggestion, because this is user-created content, that every song uploaded on the 360 side will not be significant. However, those that pass the bar that get also sent to the PS3 and Wii stores should be considered important for inclusion. --MASEM (t) 19:49, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

That isn't necessarily true. It's possible within a few weeks of the launch of Rock Band Network that we get an entire discography from one of the more giving artists. (Nine Inch Nails, Foo Fighters, Megadeth) They will obviously all be up for download on the 360, but I seriously doubt ALL of the discography would get put up for PS3 and Wii. I think we may have to have columns for whether the songs are available for the other systems like this page has just for the Wii. DJKingpin (talk) 20:47, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Again, we have to be careful here. Take any non-music game, and unless the soundtrack itself is a published work, we consider that to be indiscriminate. We don't report every published Flash game or every Xbox Live Community/Indie game. In this same vein, we are not going to realistically going to be able to cover every user-loaded song. Our current music tracks are "filtered" in importance in the sense that this is what HMX has determined to be important to be distributed. So in the same way, when they select what songs from the 360 RBN go to the PS3 and Wii, they're filtering there too, and thus that's a measure of importance. Now, take the example of a top band that puts their own work into RB, say, someone like Green Day putting up Dookie. While its immediate release on RBN on the 360 will not meet our metric, it is very hard to believe it will not be filtered to the PS3 and Wii versions. --MASEM (t) 03:01, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

This is all assuming that RBN gets flooded with content. I think we need to take a few weeks once it gets rolling to get a feel for how releases will be distributed. If it gets to a point where there's just too much to track without creating a massive article, we may have to do as Masem suggested and then simply link to an official source that has the FULL listings. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 14:15, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Partially agreed; I don't think we're looking at a launch that will have hundreds of songs right out of the gate. Also, keep in mind that the term "user-uploaded tracks" is somewhat inaccurate; there's a difference between, say, you or I uploading songs, or a small record company uploading songs. Personally, I think a List of Rock Band Network songs article would be the best way to handle this. EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:53, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, they stated that the RBN wouldn't go public until it had a large amount of content available from the beta period. Technically, when songs first become available publicly, there could easily be hundreds of songs. DJKingpin (talk) 20:57, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I watched the video after posting that. I still think having a separate article to document the RBN content would be best; it lets us not overload an already massive page here, and we wouldn't be dividing up the content arbitrarily, as the video (at creators.rockband.com) shows the Music Store being a separate entity from the Network store. EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:10, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Old Upcoming Songs

On the upcoming song list, for a while there has been the likes of 3 Doors Down and people like that all with TBD for months now, what is the situation with them? Are there plans to come out soon, or still waiting? 212.140.250.54 (talk) 08:52, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

These are songs that are introduced to Rock Band Unplugged or the Country Track Pack that HMX has stated will be eventually DLC on Rock Band itself, but not confirmed when. Thus, they remain TBD as to their release date. --MASEM (t) 11:27, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Rock Band Track Packs

Should songs on track packs be marked, or are there too little songs to be marked? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nascarfan1964 (talk • contribs) 22:12, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

The contents of track packs are already available in the appropriate article, which is linked to in more than one place on this page. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 20:38, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Pearl Jam's new album Backspacer coming to Rock Band as DLC

http://www.billboard.com/#/features/pearl-jam-back-to-the-future-1003999243.story?page=3

The article says it's arriving "the same day" as the album in retail stores. Thing is, Backspacer is set to release September 20th, which is a Sunday. September 22nd (which is the nearest Tuesday) as a date for the Rock Band version seems likely.

Thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DuckRacer1 (talk • contribs) 20:40, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

We'll have to wait and see. It's likely "Release the same day" refers to the Target promotion which will feature the DLC on disc. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 20:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)