Talk:List of aviation shootdowns and accidents during the Saudi Arabian–led intervention in Yemen

NOTMEMORIAL

Please avoid using the current page as a MEMORIAL for a selected country. This page covert the technical and historic relavance of the air campaing losses.
See Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Notability guide
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Mr.User200 (talk) 22:15, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

@Mr.User200: thank you for starting the discussion on the talk page. Please note that WP:MEMORIAL states Subjects of encyclopedia articles must satisfy Wikipedia's notability requirements. Wikipedia is not the place to memorialize deceased friends, relatives, acquaintances, or others who do not meet such requirements. ... these people are not my "friends, relatives, acquaintances". If you read Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Notability guide that you have linked, it states Likewise, those who are only mentioned in passing in reliable secondary sources should not be considered notable for the purposes of a stand-alone article, although, depending upon the circumstances, they may warrant mention within an existing article or list.. I am not creating a stand alone article on these deceased individuals, I am adding their name here because it has been mentioned, repeatedly, in reliable sources. Examples of sources that have mentioned their names are here: [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8]. The names of these soldiers you removed have been mentioned in every single one of those reliable sources. In addition, every Emirati soldier who died in Yemen is granted the medal of honor, which is considered the UAE's highest medal of valor. [9] [10] which satisfies another requirment of WP:SOLDIER that states Were awarded their nation's highest award for valour, or were awarded their nation's second-highest award for valour

Check out other detailed coverage of soldiers who died in battle in other articles, who were not notable to have their own pages, but were included in detail in the pages of battles and other military conflict: Battle of Mogadishu (1993)#United_States American fatalities and injuries of the 2012 Benghazi attack Attack on Pearl_Harbor#American casualties and damage. I think its very reasonable with the amount of avaliable information to start an entire new article/section about those causalities, but I am not doing so I am only adding their names here due to the amount of coverage they have received. Thanks --Wikiemirati (talk) 19:33, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

As I have told before this page is not a Memorial for UAE pilots and soldiers killed. If a military figure have and article or is a important military political figure it deserves mention. Please refrain form adding names of soldiers and pilots killed in UAE crashes since this is not the purpose of the page.Mr.User200 (talk) 13:38, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Also a pararel about your edits and the Benghazi attack article cannot be made. Those dead were Important political figures of the United States not soldiers and NCOs. There is no scope in the article for that information.Mr.User200 (talk) 13:41, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

No one is creating a memorial. What do you mean by saying "There is no scope in the article for that information", What decides what limits the content of an article? I have already explained above why WP:NOTMEMORIAL does not apply here. Two people in the list of Benghazi attacks were not notable to have their own articles, but were included in that article because multiple secondary reliable sources have talked about them. Same thing with multiple casualties and dead individuals, including other list pages. With that said, I am not adamant on adding this information and would accept a third opinion. I will seek a third opinion and accept their suggestions regardless. I wouldn't mind not adding this information, however I would like to know why is it wrong to add it as to me those individuals are notable enough to be mentioned as I have explained citing wikipolicy. If I misinterpreted or wrong, I would like to know. I would appreciate other experienced editors opinions here. --Wikiemirati (talk) 21:04, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Notable individuals have been added (or kept) like Sheikh Zayed bin Hamdan (for his notability in being a Royal Member of the UAE rulling family), also the two pilots dead kept since there is no information on the type of aircraft and are te only way to track that event. Regarding the other dead y recomend you to start a article of UAE servicement casualties in the Yemen Civil War and place that info there.Mr.User200 (talk) 18:51, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

This a not a Memorial, Wikiemirati names of pilots that do not have the guidelines of notability are removed.Mr.User200 (talk) 16:12, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

For the Record.

https://almasirah.net/gallery/preview.php?file_id=29719 Mr.User200 (talk) 13:07, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Changes in the final table.

Of all the users reverting edits, including the anons, Vnkd are you the same editor as the other anons or not? Second, the Houthis could claim they shoot down 1 million AH 64 Apaches, and that is placed in the claims, you are confusing Lost aircraft (whatever the reason), Crashed, Shot Down, and Claims. Destroyed/Lost implies all of the named before. If Houthis claim more than the destroyed that should be listed as well. Whats your problem with the Hostile fire column? Only verified shoot down and losses acknowleged by the operators are considered in the Destroyed column and thats Ok. The main issue here is why you continue reverting Houthis claims.Mr.User200 (talk) 13:56, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Changed the table using the same criteria of List of aviation shootdowns and accidents during the Iraq War. Please before any edit care to discuss. Is the most neutral and explained way to understand all this conflicting claims and reports.Mr.User200 (talk) 21:47, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Incidents and Accidents reported but not directly related to the conflict.

There are at least 2 accidents regarding Saudi Arabian and UAE aircraft that happened during the timelapse of the Saudi led Coalition intervention in Yemen, however there are not directly related to the conflict:

• 12 June 2016 – A UAEAF Boeing AH-64 Apache crashed in international waters of the Persian Gulf in route to UAE coast.
• 6 November 2017 – A Saudi Arabian Air Force Sikorsky UH-60L Black Hawk crashes in Abha near the frontier with Yemen, a senior Saudi prince and seven other officials are reported dead.

Placing here in case someone in a good faith move reports them.Mr.User200 (talk) 23:57, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

By type = personal assumptions by Mr.user2000

The "by type" section is just personal work by Mr.user2000 point of view. He just decided what happened in most of the actions which are disputed themselves most of the times, each side reported a different story and with very little independent information from a foggy battlefield. This article should just report each single occurrence with all the versions and an eventual description of video evidence if available. As it has little-to-nil encyclopedic value, it should be removed. What's the purpose of a table with an incorrect counting full of assumptions and symbols: * + - the world "claim"... "maybe" "possibly" "I know, trust me"... really?

First sign your comments on talk pages, regarding your opinions and reverting behaviour you have been warned several times by me, other users and admins. And the last time before you dissapeared from WP, you were told by a admin to stop your disruptive behaviour or you would be blocked.Mr.User200 (talk) 03:11, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Again for the record, I dont see a single Sputnik, RT, PressTV, /.ir source used in both articles or tables. Your comment simply does not represent the current version of both articles, or the past version of them before you were blocked. It seems you have been looking at very old versions of both pages. Mr.User200 (talk) 20:54, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

I´m placing this here since User:Vnkd keeps errasing my responses to his acusations, like he did here and here.Mr.User200 (talk) 21:05, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

confirmations on loses

AS365 Dauphin

@Mr.User200: Hi, My friend. I saw that you Added a Dauphine Hilecopter allegedly lost on Al-Madina class frigate. Is it visually confirmed that it was lost? OKMG-1200 (talk) 11:54, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

I have been looking for a image of the wreck but only found this, not a debris but a CCTV footage from a Camera of the Frigate Al-Medinah showing the helicopter and the blast.Mr.User200 (talk) 14:24, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@Mr.User200: I saw the video. the moment of the explosion is very clear and the Helicopter doesn't seem to be destroyed. So, I think this does not count as a loss. OKMG-1200 (talk) 18:08, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Per This Source itself we should include. The photo is a backing.

@Mr.User200: How about this source, my friend. it shows the frigate and the helicopter on its flight deck after the attack. OKMG-1200 (talk) 20:02, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@Mr.User200: did you see the pictures after the ship was damaged and the helicopter on the fight pad. OKMG-1200 (talk) 11:33, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

It's seems the image is before the attack. In the video you can see it. Mr.User200 (talk) 16:35, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

@Mr.User200: No, the pictures were taken after the attack (it's noted that the two pictures were taken after the attack in the source). also, the damage is clearly visible on the port side of the ship in the second picture (indicating it was taken after the attack). IWN didn't prove their claims that a Dauphine Helicopter was destroyed during the Houthi attack. There are no pictures showing the helicopter destroyed. OKMG-1200 (talk) 17:35, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

I will place it as a Claim then.Mr.User200 (talk) 22:42, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

I have been checking for more sources and Popular Mechanics says the helicopter seemed damaged. Since IWN is not the Houthis itself, we can't say they have claimed it was destroyed. So i'am downgrading the degree to Damaged.Mr.User200 (talk) 23:01, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Boeing Insitu ScanEagle

@Mr.User200: I also noticed that you have changed the two Boeing Insitu ScanEagles losses from USAF to RSAF. However when I checked I found that Saudi Arabia never operated ScanEagles. see Boeing Insitu ScanEagle#Operators. I also checked if there is any other source that says Saudi Arabia has acquired this type of drone, but I never found such. OKMG-1200 (talk) 23:51, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

US CENTCOM already denied the losses. The drones were lost that's not in discussion.

Most likely operated by Saudi Arabia. Found this Iranian source saying those drones were from the Saudi Coalition. Mr.User200 (talk) 00:06, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Seems this is not the first Scan eagle drone reported lost. There's at least another report from 1 November 2019, and according to the source it's a US Military Drone. So I'm placing that event. Regarding the last month shotdown. US CENTCOM denied lossing the drone. But that could be a CIA drone or maybe a Royal Navy drone, that also operates them.Mr.User200 (talk) 00:39, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Another turn in events, another Source indicates that Saudi Arabia operates this type of drones.here. So I'm placing the KSA/US roundel on the three.Mr.User200 (talk) 00:51, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

@Mr.User200: OK, I think this is the only solution to such a situation. Thank you, My Friend.OKMG-1200 (talk) 20:57, 3 July 2021 (UTC)