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I know I'm not "being bold" but I'm not very editorial in my writing but someone might want to add Project Giana, a Giana Sisters sequel in kickstarter to the unconfirmed section. They want to raise $150K in until the end of August and they're currently at $25K but they recently added that they will port the game to Ouya if the fundraising is successful. Source: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/project-giana/project-giana 85.102.168.41 (talk) 22:29, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • CORRECTION: Apparently they say if they raise $300K they would port it to Ouya. Well that seems very unlikely. 85.102.168.41 (talk) 22:32, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see OuyaOne being a conflict of interest for the Ouya System. There's been no talk about an achievement system, and it's simply filling a void perceived. This page is for "software", not games, associated with the Ouya Console -- this would be the place for it to be listed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.27.43.189 (talk) 10:07, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe I'm crazy, but you put it in the "Games" table. Do you play an achievement system? Are there characters in this achievement system? Does have levels, or is it a continuous story type of game? Or if it isn't a game, does it seem to belong in a "Games" table at all? Further, nobody is talking about this thing yet, the twitter feed as of your addition was less than a day old, and so you likely have some sort of relationship to the project in question, so editing Wikipedia to add such a thing may in fact represent a conflict of interest. Let me know the next time you see the Nintendo CEO editing the Wii U article and I'll take equal issue with that. -Kai445 (talk) 20:46, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Review the history Sir or Madam, as you can see it's clearly in Media. The Twitter feed is new, yes. As is the Facebook page. Does a Twitter feed or Facebook page indicate any such relationship to a projects? Did Microsoft have a Facebook page when it started? Clearly it's a moot point, but I have no reason to argue. I just ask that you verify such claims before making them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Ouya_software&oldid=524611618

It was in Media. Still not sure that is an accurate category, since you don't watch or listen to it for entertainment purposes. I'm no detective, but if there is a brand new domain, no news stories about something, and an IP adds something to an article, where do you think they came from? Especially an IP from the same state as the domain in question. Coincidences aside, not likely that some random internet user found it and said "wow, I should add this to wikipedia!". More likely the creator went "man, I want some free advertising on wikipedia!" -Kai445 (talk) 15:21, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Is there something inherently wrong for a project developer for a platform to provide a valid link in a proper page to provide a service to users of said platform without media coverage? Yes, I'm the developer. Of course I want it to be known that this exists, otherwise it becomes useless without developers knowing about it to use it. If I could get media coverage, I would. The more the better. But one has to start somewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.27.43.189 (talk) 15:33, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, but you can't start here. See WP:FAQ/Organizations -Kai445 (talk) 19:01, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.27.43.189 (talk) 12:17, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria for inclusion[edit]

I think we should develop some criteria for including games on this article (related guideline is WP:STANDALONE, specifically WP:CSC). I think we can have a tier list of sorts, starting with games that are less controversial to be included and ending with games that shouldn't be included. These criteria would be for games which are only planned for release on Ouya.

  1. Games that are notable and independently verified for Ouya, with independent meaning both independent of Ouya and the game company. An example is Final Fantasy III which was confirmed by IGN.
  2. Games that are notable but are confirmed for Ouya only by primary sources such as Ouya or the game company. Examples are Minecraft and Triple Town.
  3. Games that are not notable but are independently verified for Ouya. An example is Gunblitz.
  4. Games that are not notable and are confirmed for Ouya only by primary sources. An example is Shadowgun.

My belief is that only 1 and 2 should be included on this list of planned Ouya games. My reasoning is that any company can claim their game will be released on Ouya, so if we don't require a higher standard for inclusion then the list can filled with non-notable games from small companies which may or may not actually release their game for the console. --Odie5533 (talk) 16:39, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think notability is definitely an issue, and it definitely comes down to that. However I think Shadowgun is notable. A Tofu Tail, not notable. -Kai445 (talk) 18:22, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't believe Shadowgun meets the WP:GNG. --Odie5533 (talk) 22:25, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't realize Shadowgun was notable since I thought it did not have an article on Wikipedia. As you said, it is notable. I have linked it in the article. --Odie5533 (talk) 22:27, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Notability criteria.[edit]

We need a good set of notability criteria for inclusion. I know that Ouya is all about fostering indie development, but this list is really on the borderline of being low quality.

I propose that notability can be met in the following ways:

  • OUYA Store - Game or app is currently available in the Ouya store.
  • Notable Game -or- Notable App - Game or app itself is notable by Wikipedia standards (The game or application has its own well-developed non-stub, sourced article on Wikipedia. e.g. Giana Sisters: Twisted Dreams) and has been announced by either the developer, the OUYA team, or reliable third-party sources, as coming to the Ouya.
  • Notable Creator - Game or app is developed by a notable developer (The developer has their own well-developed non-stub, sourced article on Wikipedia. e.g. Square Enix) and has been announced by either the developer, the OUYA team, or reliable third-party sources, as coming to the Ouya.
  • CREATE Game Jam - Game was a CREATE Game Jam notable entry (Winners of their Category, or the Grand Prize winner).
  • DEV Console Giveaway - Game that was a #myouyagame Dev Console Giveaway winner.
  • Notable Sources - Game or app may or may not yet exist (and without regards to notability of the developer), but has significant third-party coverage by notable third party sources (i.e. coverage by one or more of: Game Informer, EGM, PC Magazine, Kotaku, Joystiq, IGN, GameSpot, Eurogamer, PLAY, or any other major Video Game Magazine or any Video Game Blog that is itself notable enough to be able to actually get press credentials.)
  • Featured by OUYA - Game or app was featured on the Ouya.tv website or Ouya Kickstarter page.

* Android Port - Game or app already exists on Android and has been announced by either the developer, the OUYA team, or reliable third-party sources as coming to the Ouya, and already has >=5,000 downloads on the Play Store with mostly positive reviews (say, >=50 reviews with a score of >=3.0).

I put them in what I feel would be descending order of importance, so if for example it would meet the "Notable Game" and "Notable Creator" and "Featured by OUYA", we only put the "Notable Game" tag in the notability column. If it was "Featured by OUYA" and and "Android Port", we only put "Featured by OUYA".

If a title does not meet any of the above categories of notability, we remove it.

-Kai445 (talk) 04:59, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • A lot of games have privately made tweets like "game is coming to OUYA!" or something along those lines. I don't think that is sufficient, even for a notable game, for it to be included. Also, I don't find the CREATE Game Jam or the DEV Console Giveaway sufficient for either inclusion or notability. The Android Port criteria are way too specific. I think the criteria for notability should have more to do with Wikipedia-based notability than external things like # of downloads or winning a contest. --Odie5533 (talk) 05:47, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If the game is notable and they said they're coming to Ouya, why wouldn't that merit inclusion? The CREATE Game Jam and DEV Giveaways were sponsored by the Ouya folks, so we can be pretty sure these games are likely to come out on the Ouya, and in the case of the CREATE contest, they competed for top spots in the contest against other games. The Android Port criteria was specific for a reason... the Android store only gives ranges of downloads, not specific download numbers, and 5000-10000 is one such range. I was looking to be inclusive in different ways, while at the same time trying to exclude truly non-notable projects whose developers are trying to sneak their way on to this list (for promotional purposes), and I felt that the above criteria do a good job of that. -Kai445 (talk) 06:09, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
We need sources stronger than either Ouya's or the game dev's word. Otherwise it could be false promises. It's okay if IGN says "Vaporware 2.0" is coming, and we include it, and it never comes - that's just IGN being wrong and we correct it, but we presume IGN is reliable to make it notable. --MASEM (t) 06:17, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well... there essentially isn't a good list of sources on basically any of the games as it is, which is a problem. I do see how the "Android Port" category is problematic, and have struck it out. And also added the in "OUYA Store" category... if the game is actually in the store for download, there's no question of whether or not it's coming to Ouya, because it's already there. -Kai445 (talk) 06:22, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The only games should be on this is list are those that are specifically listed as being developed for Ouya, not just Android. Eg, Broken Age for example). Something like Plants vs Zombies, while out on Android, shouldn't be included. --MASEM (t) 06:34, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Should the prices for the games be included on this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.68.230.76 (talk) 14:15, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, this article is already way, way too spammy. As for sources, I bet it'll get worse before it gets better. There are a lot of items that have "TBD" for release, and are only supported by a blog or tweet from the developer. No good! I intend to start culling more of them, but I'm kinda curious what the actual criteria for inclusion is going to be. If there aren't sources, then it's important to remember that it might be too soon. The proposed list is a good start, my only comment would be that if there is reliable coverage for an Android title being an Ouya game, then I don't see why it shouldn't be included. Grayfell (talk) 06:43, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I just removed a huge amount of entries. It was out of control. In addition to entries sourced to Twitter, Facebook, and messageboard posts, I removed many games that were only supported by the developer's own website. This may have been too rough, but my concern is that this list is going to get completely out of hand very quickly. There is already a large number of developers who are making shovel-ware, as well as ones who are making grandiose claims without any way of following through on them. I very well may have removed some legitimately sourcable games, and left behind some vaporware. If WP:RS can be found, I have no problem with putting them back on the list. - Grayfell (talk) 20:26, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I just removed several games that had an attached source, but were not actually mentioned in that source. I mean, c'mon! Sheesh. Grayfell (talk) 00:33, 21 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Now what?[edit]

Could someone who actually knows the answer put in a paragraph about how the demise of the system effects users? In the olden days you could buy up old machines with a load of games, but that doesn't appear to be the case with this machine. Are they now dead in the water or are old machines still usable with former users selling off their games? Deke42 (talk) 23:27, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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