Talk:List of American aero squadrons

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some squadrons were transferred to death when thay arrived in europe, and unit histories depended on junior officers to write up action reports after the armistice, this is why some units are missing. Brian in denver (talk) 16:33, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • also after the 1-Feb redesignations, some numbers were reused, so sometimes you get a double number. Brian in denver (talk) 21:49, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

820th not activated[edit]

This article says:

  • "820th not activated"

But, this book:

Kroll, Harry David. - Kelly Field in the Great World War. - Press of San Antonio. - 1919. - Page 82.[1]

Says:

"AERO SQUADRON 820"
"MHE 820th Aero Squadron of Kelly Field has earned its place in the Sun, It holds its head high, and justly so. Its recor<1 is clean, taking it from every standpoint. This squadron !s composed of men who were engaged in Trade Testing, and for this exacting work men of the highest type, mentally and physically, were selected from the start."
"This Squadron was organized January 7. 1918, with Captain Harry V. Hand Commanding, he being later appointed as Officer in Charge of the Trade Test Board. Captain Hand left the command on January 27, 1918, and was succeeded as Squadron Commander by Lieut. C. J. Doheny, a graduate of the G. O. T. S. at Kelly Field. In the latter part of July, 1918. he was sent to Chicago in iharge of a recruiting detachment. On January 9, 1919, he was made Officer in Charge of the Trade Test Board to succeed Captain Hand who had been promoted to Commandant of Flying Cadets at Kelly Field."
"On August 9, 1918, Lieut. Spencer Brush took com mand, remaining until honorably discharged ou January 2, 1919. Lieut. Robert W. Paden succeeded him, and is in charge at this writing."
"In the latter part of July, 1918. ten detachments of ten men each, were selected from this Squadron to go to the larger cities of the United States, for the purpose of recruiting men particularly suited to the highly specialized requirements of the Air Service. The work of these detachments was highly successful, in that they recruited approximately 30,000 men; men who doubtless might not have come into this branch of the service. These detachments returned to the 820th Squadron in the early part of November, 1918. immediately resuming their former duties at Trade Test Examiners."
"As was stated in the beginning, the 820th Squadron was composed of the highest type of men, the nature of the work in which they were engaged necessitating this. They worked together, co-operated with their superiors, and they are proud, indeed, of the enviable record they have established."

Que? - 209.86.226.57 (talk) 21:23, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

deleted info[edit]

wow so we just come along and delete all that research, just for fun, thanks moll. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.101.218.102 (talk) 23:39, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is more information here than there was before, you're welcome Bwmoll3 (talk) 00:43, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Use of supporting materials[edit]

For many of the entries in this list, Maurer, Maurer, ed. (1982) [1969]. Combat Squadrons of the Air Force, World War II (PDF) (reprint ed.). Washington, DC: Office of Air Force History. ISBN 0-405-12194-6. LCCN 70605402. OCLC 72556. is used as support for the proposition that an aero squadron was never activated again. This is not proper use of the reference. The absence of an entry in this book merely indicates that an aero squadron was not active during World War II as a combat squadron (as "combat squadron" was defined by Maurer Maurer in 1963). This is an attempt to use a source to prove a negative.

Moreover, many of the entries that make this statement are inaccurate. For example, the 98th Aero Squadron (not even listed) was active as recently as 1995 as the 410th Logistics Group. I would estimate that the number of inaccurate entries of this nature is in the low three digits, as can be shown by a review of Clay, Steven E. (2011). US Army Order of Battle 1919-1941 (PDF). Vol. 3 The Services: Air Service, Engineers, and Special Troops 1919-1941. Fort Leavenworth, KS: Combat Studies Institute Press. ISBN 978-0-98419-014-0. LCCN 2010022326. OCLC 637712205. Retrieved October 16, 2012.. Lineagegeek (talk) 22:23, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Squadrons listed in Maurer, Maurer [2] were those that were active in World War II, however, it wasn't the primary reference for the list. Gorrell's history provided the squadrons deployed to the AEF, however the primary reference for all squadrons listed are from Order of Battle of the United States Land Forces in the First World War, Volume 3, Part 3, Center of Military History, United States Army, 1949 (1988 Reprint). The CMH volume lists all Aero Squadrons that were formed, however, many of those squadrons were omitted if their mission was not listed and they did not serve overseas in the AEF.
There are many Aero Squadrons that are not listed in the table. The main reason being is that they are non-notable. The CMH volume does provide the dates of organization and demobilization, as well as the stations where the squadrons served, but the objective of this list was not to replicate the reference text with hundreds of non-notable squadrons that left scanty or no records of what they were used for other than the suffix in their name (repair) (construction) (supply), etc., although, of course, they can be added. The Kelly Field in the Great World War, 2d edition, 1919 reference provided some insight of the support units which served there, and those units were added, along with current Air National Guard units from the Rosenfeld, Susan and Gross reference which provided a link to the current-day squadrons in the ANG that have World War I origns.
I'm sure there are squadrons that were activated by the later Air Service or Air Corps or even by the USAF after 1947 that were missed, and the format of the article is flexible enough to accommodate them. I can go though the Clay reference and add those listed which were not included. Like most articles in Wikipedia, it's a work in progress Bwmoll3 (talk) 23:42, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The issue is not whether squadrons are listed or not. It is that (1) The list states squadrons on the list were never active again, which is inaccurate, and (2) Maurer is listed as a source for the statement they were never active again, which Maurer does not support, and is incorrect use of it as a source. --Lineagegeek (talk) 03:44, 14 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Believe all the notes which you pointed out have been addressed ;) Bwmoll3 (talk) 20:09, 24 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Aero Squadron 146[edit]

I added information on Aero Squadron 146 earlier this year based on a National Archives document which I no longer have as I passed it on. But, I see that my update has now been totally wiped out even though I sourced it properly. I just wanted to know why it was removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimbang22 (talk • contribs) 15:32, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, the above is erroneous as the Squadron was 156 and my edit still stands. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimbang22 (talk • contribs) 15:45, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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340 AERO Squadron[edit]

Can anyone tell me about the WW 1 340 Aero Squadron? I can't find anything about it. My grandfather was a part of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlythSpyrte (talk • contribs) 04:40, 9 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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