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@Christian75: I moved the page back because Statue of Abraham Lincoln should be a disambiguation page. Thanks ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:33, 24 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Another Believer, 47thPennVols, and Christian75: Hey folks. Do you agree that "Lincoln Monument, Philadelphia" would be a better name for this article? That's what most of the images at the Commons call it.[1] Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:10, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

BoringHistoryGuy, I'd see which name is used most often in reliable sources, and not worry about the image titles at Wikimedia Commons. @Ham II: Pinging just in case you're interested in weigh in. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:13, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lincoln Monument IS its formal name.[2] == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:20, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair, the majority of images on Commons for this statue have been uploaded from the New York Public Library, while others have come from the Library of Congress, the Library Company of Philadelphia, and books of 1901 and 1918; only this one is user-generated content. In 14 cases out of 27, the choice of words in the filename is based on inscriptions on the historic images themselves (not, say, the whims of the cataloguers) – but half those files are duplicates, so they actually appear to represent seven distinct images: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. In all those cases, the inscriptions read Lincoln Monument or LINCOLN MONUMENT. As they're all from either the LOC or the NYPL, I think that they should probably carry the same weight as webpages from the same institutions, and be considered reliable sources.

Looking at the RS citations with hyperlinks in the article, neither of them uses "monument" in the title: Smithsonian—Lincoln; Association for Public Art—Abraham Lincoln. But the direct quotation in the article from The Philadelphia Enquirer in 1868 has THE PHILADELPHIA LINCOLN MONUMENT, and it's also worth considering that the organization that got this statue erected was called the Lincoln Monument Association. BoringHistoryGuy also noted above a further instance of Lincoln Monument, from the Athenaeum of Philadelphia. So I think there's enough evidence that the current title of Lincoln Monument (Philadelphia) represents the WP:COMMONNAME. Ham II (talk) 12:54, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ham II: I went to the Athenaeum website hoping to find an architect for the monument, but none was listed. Rogers, working in Rome, collaborated with an architect on each of the four major Civil War monuments. So this may be something yet to be discovered. Struthers & Company also executed the stonework for Philadelphia City Hall.[3] == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:54, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]